Pearl's 1-2-1-1 Press.

[Lexvol]

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[cotton]

Originally Posted by VOLnVEGAS

You said that the 4 man in this press is very important..Is it because he has to be so athletic and quick?? In our projected lineup who in this system would be the 4 and 5??

The key to the diamond press is the 1-2-1-1 guy, not necessarily the power forward. In a typical situation, the ball comes in to the corner, where the point and one of the wings trap him. The other wing sinks to cut off the middle of the floor. What is being called the '4' in this thread has to cover the ball-side sideline.

It is a lot of ground to cover, so yes, a long, athletic, fast guy is necessary. If he can't do it, you are going to see a lot of balls coming down the floor quickly and a lot of 3-1 fast breaks. Long, quick wings are important as well, but the sheer amount of space the 4 has to cover makes him the cornerstone.

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by allvol21

1) the 4 man is important because is shadowing the inbounder to take away view down the floor to prevent the deep pass..so the bigger and more active he is the more affective he is.
2) He also is farthest away from the basket we are defending. So once the press breaks down he has to be able to recover back down the floor...especially if we are transitioning back to a man to man.

Chism will play some 4 and 5. Tyler will play some 4. We have also seen jp play some 4. Obviously Brian Williams plays the 5 and will probably see kenny hall with some minutes at the 4.

The 4 man never guards the inbound pass. It has always been the 5 man since Pearl has been there. Wingate his first year and Chism and Crews since then. Tyler Smith is the 4 and has never been on the ball in the press.

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by allvol21

I think times that we have seen it as of late it has been more of a run a and jump. Set up to slow the transition and control tempo as you were talking. But this press that we saw at the beginning of his tenure is a true zone that prides itself on forcing the inbounds to the corner and the initial trap. If those two things don't happen than it breaks down immeadiatle which is what scares me with this team.

I disagree. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but the press has always been basically a run and jump because that is what a diamond press is. The difference last year was that we did NOT use the run and jump method of trying to trap and instead just denied the inbound pass before recovering to man to man in the half court. What you are calling a true zone that forces the inbounds to the corner and traps with the 5 man guarding the inbounds pass and the opposite wing dropping to deny the inbound passer is a run and jump. It is 1-2-1-1 alignment with basically your wings denying the guards forcing the ball to be thrown to the trap spot and then running and jumping your 5 man to trap the first pass and your opposite wing to take away the pass back. Basic run and jump principles.

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by cotton

The key to the diamond press is the 1-2-1-1 guy, not necessarily the power forward. In a typical situation, the ball comes in to the corner, where the point and one of the wings trap him. The other wing sinks to cut off the middle of the floor. What is being called the '4' in this thread has to cover the ball-side sideline.

It is a lot of ground to cover, so yes, a long, athletic, fast guy is necessary. If he can't do it, you are going to see a lot of balls coming down the floor quickly and a lot of 3-1 fast breaks. Long, quick wings are important as well, but the sheer amount of space the 4 has to cover makes him the cornerstone.

He is saying that the 4 man is on the ball which is incorrect. But you are right; the rover position that you are referring to is very important in a diamond press.

[cotton]

Originally Posted by kiffinator13

He is saying that the 4 man is on the ball which is incorrect. But you are right; the rover position that you are referring to is very important in a diamond press.

Yeah, I think I misunderstood what he meant by the '4' which is why I tried to distinguish it from the PF position.

'Rover' is a better term, but it is the guy in the middle of the floor along with the wings who make the press.

[allvol21]

Originally Posted by kiffinator13

I disagree. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but the press has always been basically a run and jump because that is what a diamond press is. The difference last year was that we did NOT use the run and jump method of trying to trap and instead just denied the inbound pass before recovering to man to man in the half court. What you are calling a true zone that forces the inbounds to the corner and traps with the 5 man guarding the inbounds pass and the opposite wing dropping to deny the inbound passer is a run and jump. It is 1-2-1-1 alignment with basically your wings denying the guards forcing the ball to be thrown to the trap spot and then running and jumping your 5 man to trap the first pass and your opposite wing to take away the pass back. Basic run and jump principles.

I have to disagree as well. The principle of a run and jump are mainly from a man to man. It is the type of press where you read the ball handler. There are 3 times when you trap out of a run and jump.

1) when the ball handler comes with a speed dribble, or is " out of control"

2) When the ball handler is blind to you. For example: he is being forced to the sidline away from you he makes a reverse pivot and then trap immeadiately.

3) when you feel like the ball handler is weak or on his weak side of the floor.

A run and jump is a read press and the 1-2-1-1 is designed to play out a certain way every time. Not to mention it is a zone no matter how you put it.

[allvol21]

Originally Posted by kiffinator13

The 4 man never guards the inbound pass. It has always been the 5 man since Pearl has been there. Wingate his first year and Chism and Crews since then. Tyler Smith is the 4 and has never been on the ball in the press.

The reason you have never seen tyler on the ball is we have not ran this press with him at the 4. When crews was here chism did play the 4 alot so thats why you sall that. Not saying it has to be but the 4 man is what he wants in his press on the inbounder. But if you don't believe me I found you a link. See for yourself....

X’s & O’s of Basketball: Bruce Pearl's 1-2-1-1 Full-court Press

[vols for life]

Bruce Pearl hasn't really recruited the quickness that he needs to run this press lately. He's recruited big, strong, athletic guys, but this press doesn't really work with the personnel. We saw it get beat a lot last year because the people running it weren't quick enough. It's not just the 4 man, it's everyone.

[VOLnVEGAS]

allvol-
with the current team we have got, how many times a game do you see us doing this 1-2-1-1 press?? Is it mostly after a made free throw?

[allvol21]

Well to be honest...I really can't answer that question. Of course as you mentioned free throws and dead balls are the best opportunity to press and the most common. But a pressing team will press on every made basket for the most part and coach pearl did this in his first couple of years and If he feels like this team is athletic and in good enough condition to do so I hope he does.

[VOLnVEGAS]

Well, I sure hope the vols can run the press with some success. They are high flyin and fast moving when they do. I think this team has great potential and I am obviously very excited. Think that Pearl is going to really mix it up and am glad to hear about this full court press.

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by allvol21

The reason you have never seen tyler on the ball is we have not ran this press with him at the 4. When crews was here chism did play the 4 alot so thats why you sall that. Not saying it has to be but the 4 man is what he wants in his press on the inbounder. But if you don't believe me I found you a link. See for yourself....

X’s & O’s of Basketball: Bruce Pearl's 1-2-1-1 Full-court Press

That's just this guy drawing up x's and o's calling the guy on the ball the 4. Bottom line, Pearl always plays the five man on the ball. What that guy is calling the 4 man is our 5 man every time. Pearl doesn't go to Chism and say, "Alright Wayne, we're going to put you at the 4 on our press." He just puts him on the ball, and he is our five man. He puts our 4 man as the rover.

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by allvol21

I have to disagree as well. The principle of a run and jump are mainly from a man to man. It is the type of press where you read the ball handler. There are 3 times when you trap out of a run and jump.

1) when the ball handler comes with a speed dribble, or is " out of control"

2) When the ball handler is blind to you. For example: he is being forced to the sidline away from you he makes a reverse pivot and then trap immeadiately.

3) when you feel like the ball handler is weak or on his weak side of the floor.

A run and jump is a read press and the 1-2-1-1 is designed to play out a certain way every time. Not to mention it is a zone no matter how you put it.

And we run and jump out of the 1-2-1-1 when we force the inbounds pass to the corner, and the ball handler is blind to the man guarding the inbounds pass when he comes to trap and the opposite guard takes away the inbounder leaving the man two passes away uncovered in anticipation that our 4 man (the rover) could intercept the skip pass. That is run and jump; maybe you're just not sure what run and jump is.

The 1-2-1-1 may be designed to have a similar outcome everytime; however, the principles in our press do not reflect zone principles at all. Zone principles don't dictate matching up on the guards in denying the inbounds pass; zone principles would just have our guards guard a specific area in the press, which they do not with Pearl's press. It is a 1-2-1-1 alignment with run and jump man to man principles. That is the diamond press and always has been. People run that press at all levels of basketball.

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by allvol21

The reason you have never seen tyler on the ball is we have not ran this press with him at the 4. When crews was here chism did play the 4 alot so thats why you sall that. Not saying it has to be but the 4 man is what he wants in his press on the inbounder. But if you don't believe me I found you a link. See for yourself....

X’s & O’s of Basketball: Bruce Pearl's 1-2-1-1 Full-court Press

No, he didn't. Chism and Crews alternated at 5 while Bradshaw played the 4. Chism and Crews were almost never on the floor at the same time. And our 5 man (Chism or Crews) was still on the ball in the press then with our 4 man (Bradshaw) playing the rover.