Marcus Haislip Signs With The Spurs.

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by dickens821

Hardly 'all of them' have underperformed. There are some
noticeable ones that have. But to say all of them is misrepresenting the facts a bit.
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Which hasn't?
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[dickens821]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

Which hasn't?
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Weezy. BW.
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[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by dickens821

Weezy. BW.
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He's the most inconsistent player I've ever seen at UT, but he's probably the closest thing to achieving what was expected. The rest haven't been anywhere close. BWill was a project when he arrived and remains so. He might have actually regressed this season.
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[dickens821]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

He's the most inconsistent player I've ever seen at UT, but he's probably the closest thing to achieving what was expected. The rest haven't been anywhere close.
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He's only had one recruiting class that has had enough time to mature. And yeah. There were a bunch of busts. But let's see how this past years class turns out.
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[Sudeepvol]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

How long were Buzz and Green here?

Surely you would agree that Pearl's best players were Peterson recruits?

Seems to me that Pearl's recruits have all underperformed their billing. That's a very bad sign.
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Are you going to fault Urban Meyer for winning with Zook's players? That's part of the transition between coaches, some of your best players are going to be recruits from the previous coach.

And to respond to your comment about the length of tenure of the previous coaches...answer me this: How many of Buzz's players were in the NBA in 2006? We're talking about his recruits being in the NBA four years after he's gone.

And once again, if you can't develop your players, good recruiting classes will not matter, which is why drawing comparisons between Bruce and the previous two coaches is irrelevant.

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by Sudeepvol

Are you going to fault Urban Meyer for winning with Zook's players? That's part of the transition between coaches, some of your best players are going to be recruits from the previous coach.

And to respond to your comment about the length of tenure of the previous coaches...answer me this: How many of Buzz's players were in the NBA in 2006? We're talking about his recruits being in the NBA four years after he's gone.

And once again, if you can't develop your players, good recruiting classes will not matter, which is why drawing comparisons between Bruce and the previous two coaches is irrelevant.

What? I'm not faulting anyone for inheriting players. I'm faulting Pearl for recruiting underachievers and failing to outrecruits his two short lived predecessors. That's relevant, period.

In other words, Buzz and Green both sucked but have equaled Pearl.

Player development in this current situation is an absolute joke. It's probably our greatest weakness and THE reason our execution sucks.
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[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by dickens821

He's only had one recruiting class that has had enough time to mature. And yeah. There were a bunch of busts. But let's see how this past years class turns out.
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If it's solid, I'll be the first to say so. It has a chance.
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[Sudeepvol]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

What? I'm not faulting anyone for inheriting players. I'm faulting Pearl for recruiting underachievers and failing to outrecruits his two short lived predecessors. That's relevant, period.

In other words, Buzz and Green both sucked but have equaled Pearl.

Player development in this current situation is an absolute joke. It's probably our greatest weakness and THE reason our execution sucks.
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I don't get it. You say that both Buzz and Green have equaled Pearl in recruiting, yet you say player development is garbage. Then what accounts for Pearl being more successful than those coaches?

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by Sudeepvol

I don't get it. You say that both Buzz and Green have equaled Pearl in recruiting, yet you say player development is garbage. Then what accounts for Pearl being more successful than those coaches?

He hasn't been more successful than Green and Buzz absolutely could not coach. The vast majority of Pearl's success can be attributed to two of Buzz's recruits. Aside fro that, we have underachiever in a very big way.
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[Gorilla33]

While I agree that Pearl has without a doubt made some questionable recruiting decisions and the fact that he has yet to get us a point guard baffles me, it must be pointed out that the program is enjoying more success than ever with players that cannot make it to the league. Yes Green and Buzz have players in the league, but what did they win with them in their stints at UT. Apparently Pearl can make poor judgement on talent as well as not develop the talent he does get, yet still finds ways to atleast win games.(Obviously he hasn't managed to win any big ones yet. Refer to point guard comment.)

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by Gorilla33

While I agree that Pearl has without a doubt made some questionable recruiting decisions and the fact that he has yet to get us a point guard baffles me, it must be pointed out that the program is enjoying more success than ever with players that cannot make it to the league. Yes Green and Buzz have players in the league, but what did they win with them in their stints at UT. Apparently Pearl can make poor judgement on talent as well as not develop the talent he does get, yet still finds ways to atleast win games.(Obviously he hasn't managed to win any big ones yet. Refer to point guard comment.)

That's reasonable. PG isn't the lone reason we haven't won anything of note. We have no aemblnce of defense for large portions of games and our offense is simply disorganized for the vast majority of the shot clock.
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[PandamoniumReigns]

Back on topic - - -

Good news to hear about Haislip.
Hope he does well. He was one of my favorite UT players.

PS: Why must all topics somehow resort to bashing Pearl?

[ukvols]

Considering the Albrechts, Winchesters, Ikeakors, Herndons, etc., of the world, I think it's fair to say that if Buzz threw enough darts, he was going to eventually hit something. To say he outrecruited Pearl because of Lofton and JaJuan doesn't tell the whole story.

[ukvols]

Originally Posted by hatvol96

This means Jerry Green and Buzz Peterson now both have more of their UT recruits in the NBA than TCHBBCATUTK.

I give Jerry Green all the credit in the world for developing Haislip to the point that he could gain this second chance seven years after leaving UT.

And, Watson's development was all Buzz. If not for that year under Pearl, he probably would have made the NBA sooner.

[PandamoniumReigns]

Originally Posted by ukvols

Considering the Albrechts, Winchesters, Ikeakors, Herndons, etc., of the world, I think it's fair to say that if Buzz threw enough darts, he was going to eventually hit something. To say he outrecruited Pearl because of Lofton and JaJuan doesn't tell the whole story.

If I recall correctly, if it wasn't for Kentucky turning a blind eye to Lofton, he would have played for the Wildcats.

Tennessee got him because Kentucky didn't want him. To think Buzz did a wonderful recruiting job is silly.