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01-06-2009, 03:03 PM
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#316 (permalink)
| | a lover, not a fighter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Durham, NC
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Originally Posted by dickens821 We play terrible defense. We have the talent, length, and speed to play great defense. The fact that we don't play well speaks to our heart and hustle. It also speaks to Pearl's emphasis on offense. It is what it is. | the thing is, our offense system doesn't look that great either. I think we get a lot more points on individual talent and turnovers than any offensive genius. |
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01-06-2009, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldblood Defense is a combination of both effort and skill, but without effort, any amount of skill is wasted. Right now, we have no effort. | My assessment is that our effort isn't as bad as what most on here seem to think. I think that argument is a cover-up for a more fundamental problem. |
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01-06-2009, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hatvol96 My favorite was Chism reaching after his fallen headband against Belmont instead of pursuing a rebound. Classic. Posted via VolNation Mobile | that's inexcusable. point out more examples like that from more players against other teams (not that it's justified, but I doubt Wayne would pull that stunt against Kansas or Kentucky), and I'll start to change my mind. |
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01-06-2009, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by IPorange But we aren't talking about just getting beat on defense. We are talking about people not being covered at all. Uncontested shots. Players driving down the lane and laying it in with guys just watching. I am not saying there isn't some scheming and coordination in defense. I am saying we aren't even showing the basic effort needed to develop that. For the record, we don't show a lot of team effort on offense either. | a guy being wide open and uncovered isn't lack of effort. it's lack of intelligence. It's two guys thinking they both are guarding the same player. |
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01-06-2009, 03:08 PM
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| | Against the Grain Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Memphis, TN
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Originally Posted by hatvol96 My favorite was Chism reaching after his fallen headband against Belmont instead of pursuing a rebound. Classic. Posted via VolNation Mobile | Hopson employs the "give up" defense. He starts a slow jog to the other end of the floor as soon as the other team gets the ball in the lane. This leaves someone standing wide open and they typically make an easy shot. |
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01-06-2009, 03:13 PM
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| | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Knoxville, TN
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Originally Posted by TennNC a guy being wide open and uncovered isn't lack of effort. it's lack of intelligence. It's two guys thinking they both are guarding the same player. | That has nothing to do with coaching or websites dedicated to man to man defense.
That's called being a dumb ass. |
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01-06-2009, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TennNC a guy being wide open and uncovered isn't lack of effort. it's lack of intelligence. It's two guys thinking they both are guarding the same player. | But are they so dumb as to not be able to see that they are both guarding the same guy? I have bumped into some of these players before, and they didn't strike me as retarded. Perhaps not Rhodes Scholar material, but they were typical college students. Whether it is a lack of effort in the game or a lack of effort in practice and preparation for it, even a slow-witted guy would eventually get the basic concepts down. Or so I would think. But I respect your position. |
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01-06-2009, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JZVOL That has nothing to do with coaching or websites dedicated to man to man defense.
That's called being a dumb ass. | so you think they're just totally mailing it in to save their energy for a SportsCenter Top 10 alley-oop dunk? |
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01-06-2009, 03:22 PM
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| | Senior Member | well I think this bruce pearl team has shown lack of intensity on the full court press. That was what made a bruce pearl coached team so good. I think that now that all of Buzz peterson's recruits are basically gone we will see just how good of a coach Bruce pearl is.
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01-06-2009, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassmanbruno His emphasis on offense is pretty crappy too it seems since the only time we're really good offense has been when we're playing an out matched team and get tons of transition points against them. I hate our half court offense almost as bad as our defense... Its been the same offense since he got here... but we had Smith or Lofton to bail us out on a contested 3 ball when we drained the shot clock to zero passing on the perimeter doing nothing... this year no one can hit that shot. | 
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01-06-2009, 03:26 PM
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| We are not mean enough and I don't mean street wise mean either. I am sick of that attitude too. Who wants to see a bunch of chest bumping after a dunk or high fiving after a three especially when you are down. Go get your work clothes on and play hard for 40. Believe me if you are good enough to be D-1 then you know how to play defense. |
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01-06-2009, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TennNC that's inexcusable. point out more examples like that from more players against other teams (not that it's justified, but I doubt Wayne would pull that stunt against Kansas or Kentucky), and I'll start to change my mind. | in the KS and Gonzaga games on more than one occaision, ball handlers blew by as many as 3 orange shirts that literally stood by and watched him go by.
no one stepped in to the lane. no one even attempted to take a charge. Hell no one attempted to foul the guy.
standing and watching...ugh. it made me sick to watch it.
and i'm not kidding, my first though each time i've seen this happen is "they aren't even trying to stop them" 
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01-06-2009, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TennNC My assessment is that our effort isn't as bad as what most on here seem to think. I think that argument is a cover-up for a more fundamental problem. | does it get more fundamental than plain old effort?
like i said earlier, i think you could argue on the basis of how much emphasis does defense get in the system pearl runs.......full court press, creating turnovers, guarding the i/b and transition offense....half court D is inherently adverse to his system.
we've not been great at half court D really at all since he's been here.
what we did have the past two years were teams that were 40 minutes of hell. tenacious, relentless, won't go away type teams.
this team does not have that characteristic. which is why it's perfectly legitimate to critisize this team's effort level compared to the past two years.
and it's no more evident on this team than on the defensive end in a half court set.
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01-06-2009, 03:34 PM
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#330 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by vols2345 well I think this bruce pearl team has shown lack of intensity on the full court press. That was what made a bruce pearl coached team so good. I think that now that all of Buzz peterson's recruits are basically gone we will see just how good of a coach Bruce pearl is. | I'm sorry, but is this post implying that Pearl got by on the extreme talent left by Buzz? You've got to be kidding. |
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