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Old 02-05-2017, 01:34 PM   #61
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If a shot is blocked and ruled a goal tend in real time, but the offense ended up holding the ball after the deflection, who gets the ball if the goal tend is overruled?
The dead ball part would be hard I know. In this case it wouldn't have mattered. The shot clock was out so maybe you let it play out like the 2-3pt shot and to back after the fact to see if it was correct.
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Old 02-05-2017, 01:41 PM   #62
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The dead ball part would be hard I know. In this case it wouldn't have mattered. The shot clock was out so maybe you let it play out like the 2-3pt shot and to back after the fact to see if it was correct.
Too many delays for reviews already. Sometimes the reviews create more of a problem than they're solving. A team without a time out gets a free one while the refs huddle in front of the little monitor. That might mean more than a point added or subtracted for a 3 or not.
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Old 02-05-2017, 01:44 PM   #63
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For those of you that think that officiating is easy try it out for yourselves and tell me how easy you think it really is and it don't matter what level of basketball that we are talking about, whether it be youth,high school,college,or the NBA leagues..i've been doing it for 2 years now here in Columbia Tn youth basketball leagues n look here people it's not easy to deal with ya know....
Yeah its not easy I agree....One of my best friends is and has been an SEC umpire for many years...He says what effects good officiating after the person knows the game is the ability to keep up with the speed of the game. He's 59 years old and considered one of the best in the game. He's actually done fill in games at the MLB level. But this year or maybe next season will probably be his last. The travel and his age are becoming a factor...As he always says about favoritism, "my favorite game is a 1-0 pitchers duel with the home team winning". Lets get it done and move on....A few years ago I was watching him on ESPN doing a tournament game and the score was like 19-18 with balls flying out of the park. He had home plate and HE WAS MISERABLE...I Called him immediately after the game and he was steaming...his comments was "who's teaching these kids how to pitch because it aint working"...
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Old 02-05-2017, 01:52 PM   #64
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If a ball out of bounds, shot clock violation, flagrant foul, 2pt -3pt shot is reviewable why the hell isnt a goal tending call?
It wasn't under 2:00, so it wouldn't have mattered, but I've wondered about how you'd handle situations in which an inadvertent goal tend was called. Like in this case, Williams blocked the shot and a goal tend was called. After reviewing it (assuming it was a reviewable call), if you determine it wasn't a goal tend, who gets the ball? Does MSU get the ball under their own basket with the remaining time on the shot clock, or does Tennessee get the ball? Or is it an alternate possession situation?
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Old 02-05-2017, 02:06 PM   #65
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At some point you just have to let them play and go with the ref's judgement. Every traveling call is a judgement. Block/charge is a judgement.

I've seen some inbounds passes after made baskets where the inbounder had stepped inbounds go unnoticed by the refs. You can't catch everything and make every ruling exact and precise. Near goal tends or not are pretty rare plays.

I still don't get the flagrant foul call after the review. Is the monitor too small?

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Old 02-05-2017, 02:28 PM   #66
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At some point you just have to let them play and go with the ref's judgement. Every traveling call is a judgement. Block/charge is a judgement.

I've seen some inbounds passes after made baskets where the inbounder had stepped inbounds go unnoticed by the refs. You can't catch everything and make every ruling exact an precise. Near goal tends or not are pretty rare plays.

I still don't get the flagrant foul call after the review. Is the monitor too small?
To me, that is the most egregious call because they had a chance (a second chance, no less) and the means to get it right, and they still blew it. If I'm Barnes, that is the one I'm fuming over.
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Old 02-05-2017, 02:39 PM   #67
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To me, that is the most egregious call because they had a chance (a second chance, no less) and the means to get it right, and they still blew it. If I'm Barnes, that is the one I'm fuming over.
Yeah, they can't reverse a foul call but I was shocked that they upgraded it. Read somewhere that his elbow made contact above the defender's shoulders which is an automatic flagrant. On the in broadcast replay (I haven't re-watched the DVR) it looked to me like a horrible acting job by the defender. But an over-the-top reaction is irrelevant I suppose. Schofield must have barely touched him with his elbow which would have been a no-call had the defender not taken the dive.
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Old 02-05-2017, 02:41 PM   #68
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At some point you just have to let them play and go with the ref's judgement. Every traveling call is a judgement. Block/charge is a judgement.

I've seen some inbounds passes after made baskets where the inbounder had stepped inbounds go unnoticed by the refs. You can't catch everything and make every ruling exact an precise. Near goal tends or not are pretty rare plays.

I still don't get the flagrant foul call after the review. Is the monitor too small?
The block/charge is a judgment, but there are things to look for/look at when determining the call, and you have to be taught that. You can't get caught just looking at the offensive player; you have to look ahead and vertically at body positions. Those are taught. Plus, the rule changes are supposed to make it tougher to call a charge, and I don't think it's being called that way.

I have read several say they have officiated, and I did too when I was younger. I agree it's not easy. But you have to know the rules, show effort, and not be the center of attention.
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Old 02-05-2017, 02:43 PM   #69
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Yeah, they can't reverse a foul call but I was shocked that they upgraded it. Read somewhere that his elbow made contact above the defender's shoulders which is an automatic flagrant. On the in broadcast replay (I haven't re-watched the DVR) it looked to me like a horrible acting job by the defender. But an over-the-top reaction is irrelevant I suppose. Schofield must have barely touched him with his elbow which would have been a no-call had the defender not taken the dive.
I believe it's a common foul if it's a "basketball move" and not anything extra. The announcers even thought it wasn't egregious. I agree with you because I am not even sure the defender got hit very hard because he didn't keep holding anything to suggest it hurt.
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Old 02-05-2017, 02:47 PM   #70
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I am against all reviews because it's a game played by humans and should be officiated the same but if you are going to review some things why not all.
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Old 02-05-2017, 02:51 PM   #71
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I am against all reviews because it's a game played by humans and should be officiated the same but if you are going to review some things why not all.
The 2 versus 3 point call at the next TO isn't too disruptive. But it can also affect strategy if it's late and the teams are playing based on what they think the score is.
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Yeah, they can't reverse a foul call but I was shocked that they upgraded it. Read somewhere that his elbow made contact above the defender's shoulders which is an automatic flagrant. On the in broadcast replay (I haven't re-watched the DVR) it looked to me like a horrible acting job by the defender. But an over-the-top reaction is irrelevant I suppose. Schofield must have barely touched him with his elbow which would have been a no-call had the defender not taken the dive.
Yes, the acting on Kegler's part was what made the upgrade so embarrassing. I'm fine with the foul call. Admiral extended the arm and initiated contact. But Kegler was "hit" on his left side, yet he flailed his head around to the left side as well. If I hit you on the left side of your face or neck, your face or neck should move to the right. Add to that, his reaction came about a second late of what it should have had he really been contacted with any actual force.

The whole sequence was embarrassing and made even more so by the upgrade after the benefit of replay.
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