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Old 02-04-2017, 06:06 PM   #16
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It's not so much the refs on the floor. The problem is in the league office because they're insisting the new rules interpretations continue to be enforced. Actually it's on the coaches/players/teams not being able to adapt.

50 fouls per day games are hot garbage. Horrible product.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:09 PM   #17
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I'm telling you guys now, if you think NBA officiating is bad, you've ain't seen nothing yet. College Basketball is beggining to be embarrassing to watch. Absolutely disgusting that this is the best the NCAA can do. F*** this crap.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:10 PM   #18
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We ran great sets the first ten minutes and then our guys started having to sit because of
questionable calls. And yeah we had bad execution - mainly with Williams and Admiral riding the pine with fouls.

I'm personally fed up with this ticky-tack SEC foul bs, but if that's your thing thing then have at it.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:13 PM   #19
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It's not so much the refs on the floor. The problem is in the league office because they're insisting the new rules interpretations continue to be enforced. Actually it's on the coaches/players/teams not being able to adapt.

50 fouls per day games are hot garbage. Horrible product.
Yeah. When I say the refs are garbage, I mean the new "points of emphasis" and the SEC refs overseers as well as the actual refs. It's definitely not all on the refs because it was massively better last year, though some crews certainly do better than others. Other leagues also aren't this bad, so it must be the SEC that is terrible.

I honestly don't know how you could play a real game and get less than 30 total fouls in today's game in the SEC. Probably not play defense or offense and just jack up threes.

This crew was weird because they let them play in the first half and then started doing weird stuff in the second, and we ended up with 48 total fouls with only one being intentional. It is what it is.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:14 PM   #20
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It's not so much the refs on the floor. The problem is in the league office because they're insisting the new rules interpretations continue to be enforced. Actually it's on the coaches/players/teams not being able to adapt.

50 fouls per day games are hot garbage. Horrible product.
Basketball is a contact sport. If you can pick and roll, there is contact.

The other thing that pisses me off is that I have seen the offensive foul (on elbow) called when the defender is touching the offensive player. Should never happen. The MSU defender had his hand on Schofield right before the elbow. If the defender is making contact, then the defender can clear him out. You can't just allow a defender to make contact.
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Basketball is a contact sport. If you can pick and roll, there is contact.

The other thing that pisses me off is that I have seen the offensive foul (on elbow) called when the defender is touching the offensive player. Should never happen. The MSU defender had his hand on Schofield right before the elbow. If the defender is making contact, then the defender can clear him out. You can't just allow a defender to make contact.
They aren't calling the "aggressive contact against an offensive player" reliably enough. Riding guys down the court or at the 3PT line is apparently fine but following them on screens with one hand isn't? I don't understand what they want or how that's internally consistent.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:19 PM   #22
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Yeah. When I say the refs are garbage, I mean the new "points of emphasis" and the SEC refs overseers as well as the actual refs. It's definitely not all on the refs because it was massively better last year, though some crews certainly do better than others. Other leagues also aren't this bad, so it must be the SEC that is terrible.

I don't know what you would have to do to get less than 30 total fouls in today's game in the SEC. Probably not play defense or offense and just jack up threes.

This crew was weird because they let them play in the first half and then started doing weird stuff in the second, and we ended up with 48 total fouls with only one being intentional. It is what it is.
They are always going to miss a handful of calls. Those missed calls are magnified when your key players are in foul trouble due to earlier ticky-tack fouls. I have no idea what can be done. Maybe if they're consistent, over time the teams will eventually adjust. The rule changes/interpretations sounded like a good idea to clean the game up, but unfortunately it's backfired and made the games nearly unwatchable.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:20 PM   #23
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They aren't calling the "aggressive contact against an offensive player" reliably enough. Riding guys down the court or at the 3PT line is apparently fine but following them on screens with one hand isn't? I don't understand what they want or how that's internally consistent.
Yes, very inconsistent. But I was taught that you own your space and use your body to clear it when a defender chooses to come into it. I am not that old. If a defender is touching an offensive player (and refs won't call it), the offensive player certainly has the right to clear him.
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They are always going to miss a handful of calls. Those missed calls are magnified when your key players are in foul trouble due to earlier ticky-tack fouls. I have no idea what can be done. Maybe if they're consistent, over time the teams will eventually adjust. The rule changes/interpretations sounded like a good idea to clean the game up, but unfortunately it's backfired and made the games nearly unwatchable.
Unintended consequences. Have discussed this with other people.
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Basketball is a contact sport. If you can pick and roll, there is contact.

The other thing that pisses me off is that I have seen the offensive foul (on elbow) called when the defender is touching the offensive player. Should never happen. The MSU defender had his hand on Schofield right before the elbow. If the defender is making contact, then the defender can clear him out. You can't just allow a defender to make contact.
I'd like to see the stats on why fouls are called. One big change is that defenders aren't allowed to put TWO hands on the offensive players.

I wish they'd stop calling those fouls 40 feet away from the basket that didn't create a huge advantage for the defender. But what can you do? When the rule says it's a foul and the defense keeps on doing it... not calling the fouls is the same as if the rules don't exist.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:26 PM   #27
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Yes, very inconsistent. But I was taught that you own your space and use your body to clear it when a defender chooses to come into it. I am not that old. If a defender is touching an offensive player (and refs won't call it), the offensive player certainly has the right to clear him.
This is how I learned it and I definitely ain't old
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I'd like to see the stats on why fouls are called. One big change is that defenders aren't allowed to put TWO hands on the offensive players.

I wish they'd stop calling those fouls 40 feet away from the basket that didn't create a huge advantage for the defender. But what can you do? When the rule says it's a foul and the defense keeps on doing it... not calling the fouls is the same as if the rules don't exist.
It's funny because I feel like there are several times where our guys are at a disadvantage because of it and they don't call it, they just call it when I couldn't care less and think it was a phantom foul, even when it's done by the other team.
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I'd like to see the stats on why fouls are called. One big change is that defenders aren't allowed to put TWO hands on the offensive players.

I wish they'd stop calling those fouls 40 feet away from the basket that didn't create a huge advantage for the defender. But what can you do? When the rule says it's a foul and the defense keeps on doing it... not calling the fouls is the same as if the rules don't exist.
I prefer calling it tighter the closer you get to the basket. But you still can't call an offensive foul for a clear out if the defender is touching the offensive player.
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