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We hired a coach that in his limited 5 years as a head coach went.

11-14 in 1st year
20-8 in 2nd year (pretty impressive)
19-9 in 3rd year (not bad)
14-11 in 4th year wheels are starting to wobble
9-17 in 5th year wheels falling off righ???

Well he gets hired by big time program after this 9-17 season and this big time program was coming off seasons of 27-7, 22-8 and 24-9.

In this coaches first years this big time program goes.
17-13 in his 1st year. Not great considering the prior years.
10-17 in his 2nd season. Awful and VN would be calling for calling for him to be fired?
11-17 in his 3rd season. My guess is VN would be in full melt down mode by now and would have a petition to fire him.

Well this big time program sticks with him and he turns things around. In fact since his slow start he has now been at this same school for 35 years with a record of 942-251, 4 national championships and only missed the tournament once since that slow start.

Based on comments VN would have been in an uproar over hiring Coach K based on his record at Army and we surely would have run him out of town after taking what was a successful winning team (Duke) to losing records in his 2nd and 3rd years in the program.
 
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mountainair said:
We hired a coach that in his limited 5 years as a head coach went.

11-14 in 1st year
20-8 in 2nd year (pretty impressive)
19-9 in 3rd year (not bad)
14-11 in 4th year wheels are starting to wobble
9-17 in 5th year wheels falling off righ???

Well he gets hired by big time program after this 9-17 season and this big time program was coming off seasons of 27-7, 22-8 and 24-9.

In this coaches first years this big time program goes.
17-13 in his 1st year. Not great considering the prior years.
10-17 in his 2nd season. Awful and VN would be calling for calling for him to be fired?
11-17 in his 3rd season. My guess is VN would be in full melt down mode by now and would have a petition to fire him.

Well this big time program sticks with him and he turns things around. In fact since his slow start he has now been at this same school for 35 years with a record of 942-251. 4 national championships and only missed the tournament once since that slow start.

Based on comments VN would have been in an uproar over hiring Coach K and we surely would have run him out of town after taking what was a successful winning team to losing records in his 2nd and 3rd years in the program.
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In the famous words of steve Austin, what?
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
In the famous words of steve Austin, what?
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so you quote a steroid pumping fake sport participant, why? sorry you couldn't understand his point.

but good point by the OP, we need a coach who wants to build and stay. and fans need to realize its not gonna be overnight.
 
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lovavol said:
so you quote a steroid pumping fake sport participant, why? sorry you couldn't understand his point.

but good point by the OP, we need a coach who wants to build and stay. and fans need to realize its not gonna be overnight.
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The way he said it was just off. I'm still trying to understand and it's fake ?!!?! By God,I had no clue! (Blue font)
 
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1. If the coach had that record at Army, it's pretty darn good, even with the 9-17 on the end, which is why he was a creditable candidate for Duke in the first place. It's extremely hard to win at Army, almost impossible to sustain year-to-year success there.
2. He came to Duke with the cupboard basically bare. He had three real players (Gene Banks, Kenny Dennard, and Vince Taylor) on the team his first season, and got to the NIT with them. Taylor was the only one left in '82, so they were bad. He hit a recruiting bonanza after that season, but had to play them all as freshmen in '83--a season where Virginia and UNC were in the top five all season, and they weren't even the ACC team that won it all--NC State did. So they struggled again, because back then, you couldn't play that many freshmen in a conference that loaded and not get your butts kicked. There was no such thing as "one and done" in those days. Ralph Sampson was a senior for Virginia. Sam Perkins was a junior at UNC, Michael Jordan a sophomore. Thurl Bailey, who played 17 years in the NBA, was a senior at NCSU.

Coach K actually got a contract extension early in the 1984 season, when Duke had a middling record. They caught fire in late January and wound up 24-10. The rest is history.

In other words, it was a completely different situation, and on top of that, Duke had a powerful AD who was safe in his job and had the mandate to ignore the yahoos and stay the course, because he knew he had the right coach all along.
 
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Are you really comparing the world THEN to the world NOW? SERIOUSLY? C'mon man!!! This is the NOW generation. You better turn it around QUICK. Too many people HAVE and that's why it is expected now.
 
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Look like Hart would at least lie and say we are going after a big name coach.:) He lies like H@ll all the time anyway one more wont hurt.:)
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
Are you really comparing the world THEN to the world NOW? SERIOUSLY? C'mon man!!! This is the NOW generation. You better turn it around QUICK. Too many people HAVE and that's why it is expected now.
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Came to post same thing.

What was the salary when Coach K started? You get paid 2-3 million a year, you had better produce.
 
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mountainair said:
We hired a coach that in his limited 5 years as a head coach went.

11-14 in 1st year
20-8 in 2nd year (pretty impressive)
19-9 in 3rd year (not bad)
14-11 in 4th year wheels are starting to wobble
9-17 in 5th year wheels falling off righ???

Well he gets hired by big time program after this 9-17 season and this big time program was coming off seasons of 27-7, 22-8 and 24-9.

In this coaches first years this big time program goes.
17-13 in his 1st year. Not great considering the prior years.
10-17 in his 2nd season. Awful and VN would be calling for calling for him to be fired?
11-17 in his 3rd season. My guess is VN would be in full melt down mode by now and would have a petition to fire him.

Well this big time program sticks with him and he turns things around. In fact since his slow start he has now been at this same school for 35 years with a record of 942-251, 4 national championships and only missed the tournament once since that slow start.

Based on comments VN would have been in an uproar over hiring Coach K based on his record at Army and we surely would have run him out of town after taking what was a successful winning team (Duke) to losing records in his 2nd and 3rd years in the program.
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Why does somebody post this every year? Sure it could happen but there aren't many coach k's out there and more than likely the coach would just keep losing.
 
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volatil said:
Came to post same thing.

What was the salary when Coach K started? You get paid 2-3 million a year, you had better produce.
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Not everybody can be an NBA factory Luke Kentucky. Tennessee basketball will need stability to be any good.
 
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Coach K. trained under Bobby Knight and, even though I didn't like his style, he coach b-ball. I would be happy to see UT get a coach that was mentored by coach K, say a Bobby Hurley.
 
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mountainair said:
We hired a coach that in his limited 5 years as a head coach went.

11-14 in 1st year
20-8 in 2nd year (pretty impressive)
19-9 in 3rd year (not bad)
14-11 in 4th year wheels are starting to wobble
9-17 in 5th year wheels falling off righ???

Well he gets hired by big time program after this 9-17 season and this big time program was coming off seasons of 27-7, 22-8 and 24-9.

In this coaches first years this big time program goes.
17-13 in his 1st year. Not great considering the prior years.
10-17 in his 2nd season. Awful and VN would be calling for calling for him to be fired?
11-17 in his 3rd season. My guess is VN would be in full melt down mode by now and would have a petition to fire him.

Well this big time program sticks with him and he turns things around. In fact since his slow start he has now been at this same school for 35 years with a record of 942-251, 4 national championships and only missed the tournament once since that slow start.

Based on comments VN would have been in an uproar over hiring Coach K based on his record at Army and we surely would have run him out of town after taking what was a successful winning team (Duke) to losing records in his 2nd and 3rd years in the program.
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How is the view from the holier than thou soapbox?

Fans at Duke were ready to fire Krzyzewski as well.

There was even a petition once upon a time. Good thing for Duke Coach K was much more thick skinned than Cuonzo Martin.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/impatient-duke-fans-once-wanted-mike-krzyzewski-fired-153220260.html
 
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I think Hart is either at the Dollar Tree or Dollar Store shopping. That is where the next coach is coming from. JMO

Hart and Cheeks aka The Boogerman needs to be fired.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
How is the view from the holier than thou soapbox?

Fans at Duke were ready to fire Krzyzewski as well.

There was even a petition once upon a time. Good thing for Duke Coach K was much more thick skinned than Cuonzo Martin.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/impatient-duke-fans-once-wanted-mike-krzyzewski-fired-153220260.html
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No doubt their fans wanted him out. Heck most didn't want him to begin with. Fortunately they had an AD that beleived in him and didn't listen to the fans. Which is what Butch did hiring DeBord and what I hope Hart does with this hire.
 
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It should be noted that coaches got a few more years back then to turn around programs. Look how long it took Coach Majors to turn around UT.
 
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mountainair said:
We hired a coach that in his limited 5 years as a head coach went.

11-14 in 1st year
20-8 in 2nd year (pretty impressive)
19-9 in 3rd year (not bad)
14-11 in 4th year wheels are starting to wobble
9-17 in 5th year wheels falling off righ???
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I would ask why our team or HC skipped 3 or 4 games each year to start with.
 
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No easy fix in this situation, and money won't fix it either. Heck, even Dean Smith at UNC was burned in effigy his first couple years. For me don't care who they get, but, get somebody ASAP before the wheels come completely off.

GO VOLS!
 
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The same proposition used to get tossed around about Tom Osborne on the football side.

These examples of "nurturing" upstart coaches are typical when defending a coach on the hot seat. Seeing as how Tyndall was in the ejector seat...not sure what the OP is on about.
 
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lovavol said:
so you quote a steroid pumping fake sport participant, why? sorry you couldn't understand his point.

but good point by the OP, we need a coach who wants to build and stay. and fans need to realize its not gonna be overnight.
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The Six Million Dollar Man did steroids? I thought they "rebuilt him".
 
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therealitytheory said:
The same proposition used to get tossed around about Tom Osborne on the football side.

These examples of "nurturing" upstart coaches are typical when defending a coach on the hot seat. Seeing as how Tyndall was in the ejector seat...not sure what the OP is on about.
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I assume the op is trying to say our next hire should have plenty of time. Like many have said though, salaries are way too high to give somebody that amount of time and most situations would not end up like duke's.
 
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lovavol said:
so you quote a steroid pumping fake sport participant, why? sorry you couldn't understand his point.

but good point by the OP, we need a coach who wants to build and stay. and fans need to realize its not gonna be overnight.
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You know your favorite T.V. show is fake, right? But when they do something athletic, its generally with a stunt double, CGI, or heavily scripted pretend.

Wrestling is starting to get cool again for many reasons, you may want to get on board now so you don't have to cry and moan when you see highlights on ESPN.
 
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