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Old 12-20-2012, 04:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm worried about this kid.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I noted that in the one game I saw him play, he was unspectacular. He didn't do much of anything, including shooting the ball, despite playing 26 of 32 minutes.

He just seemed to exist. He played good defense, he set up teammates and controlled the tempo. He's a good ball-handler as well. He is definitely a facilitator, as opposed to a scorer. I'm worried that Cuonzo is realizing he needs a scoring PG to run his offense, and that's not Landry.

We will see. Imo, based on a very small sample, he's not the long-term answer for us at PG. Career backup, who is likely recruited over and transfers. I hope he surprises me though.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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What was a big issue last year? Backup PG. we had nobody who could come in and...handle the ball, get the offense set up and defend their position.

What's a big issue this year? Backup PG. once again we have nobody who can handle the ball, and are using a walk on now because our scholarship backup cant defend his position.

Landry won't do anything to impress people, but IMO...he will come in and be able to spell golden better than Washpun, Lopez or Moore and that alone is probably worth the scholarship. I don't like us jostling our backup PG like we did last year and now are this year, I'm a firm believer in chemistry and letting guys play their positions..asking jordy to run point isn't good for the team or jordy.
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:06 PM   #19 (permalink)
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What was a big issue last year? Backup PG. we had nobody who could come in and...handle the ball, get the offense set up and defend their position.

What's a big issue this yeap PG. once again we have nobody who can handle the ball, and are using a walk on now because our scholarship backup cant defend his position.

Landry won't do anything to impress people, but IMO...he will come in and be able to spell golden better than Washpun, Lopez or Moore and that alone is probably worth the scholarship. I don't like us jostling our backup PG like we did last year and now are this year, I'm a firm believer in chemistry and letting guys play their positions..asking jordy to run point isn't good for the team or jordy.
I agree with the assessment that we have struggled finding a backup PG, but I'll take it a step further and say we have struggled to find a starting PG. Lets face it, PG is not Golden's natural position. He has succeeded there in spite of that, which is a tribute to him and how hard he has worked to transition from a natural shooting guard to running the point.

PG recruiting has been a disaster going on 8-9 years now. We have landed Marques Johnson, Ramar Smith, Bobby Maze, Mel Goins, Daniel West, Wes Washpun, and Armani Moore. Three of those never made it past there freshman year. One didn't make it past his sophomore year. Two were JC transfers with varying degrees of success. That leaves Moore, whom the book is still out on.

I hate to think we are recruiting guys with the mindset that they can be good backups. Landry will only be here one year with Golden, and then he or Moore is next in line assuming we struggle to recruit the position as we have recently. I'd like to think we are recruiting guys because we feel like they can start for us.
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I agree with the assessment that we have struggled finding a backup PG, but I'll take it a step further and say we have struggled to find a starting PG. Lets face it, PG is not Golden's natural position. He has succeeded there in spite of that, which is a tribute to him and how hard he has worked to transition from a natural shooting guard to running the point.

PG recruiting has been a disaster going on 8-9 years now. We have landed Marques Johnson, Ramar Smith, Bobby Maze, Mel Goins, Daniel West, Wes Washpun, and Armani Moore. Three of those never made it past there freshman year. One didn't make it past his sophomore year. Two were JC transfers with varying degrees of success. That leaves Moore, whom the book is still out on.

I hate to think we are recruiting guys with the mindset that they can be good backups. Landry will only be here one year with Golden, and then he or Moore is next in line assuming we struggle to recruit the position as we have recently. I'd like to think we are recruiting guys because we feel like they can start for us.
The 14 recruiting class is PG heavy.
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I didn't expect him to score a lot on that loaded Huntington Prep team, but I hoped his shooting might improve. So far, he's shooting 28 pct from the field (0% from the 3 point line) and 58 pct on FTs. Also surprised that he's only averaging 2.4 assists per game with all those other guys to whom he can pass.

Travon Landry (Huntington Prep High School) Basketball Stats - MaxPreps
He has never been a shooter and was not recruited as a shooter. I just want him to hit 75-80 % of free throws. If not, he may not be in any tight game during the last 3 minutes.
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I agree with the assessment that we have struggled finding a backup PG, but I'll take it a step further and say we have struggled to find a starting PG. Lets face it, PG is not Golden's natural position. He has succeeded there in spite of that, which is a tribute to him and how hard he has worked to transition from a natural shooting guard to running the point.

PG recruiting has been a disaster going on 8-9 years now. We have landed Marques Johnson, Ramar Smith, Bobby Maze, Mel Goins, Daniel West, Wes Washpun, and Armani Moore. Three of those never made it past there freshman year. One didn't make it past his sophomore year. Two were JC transfers with varying degrees of success. That leaves Moore, whom the book is still out on.

I hate to think we are recruiting guys with the mindset that they can be good backups. Landry will only be here one year with Golden, and then he or Moore is next in line assuming we struggle to recruit the position as we have recently. I'd like to think we are recruiting guys because we feel like they can start for us.
Very good points.

I'm sure Landry doesn't think he'll be a career backup, but that's jmo and is part of the collee game. You get 13 scholarships, usually a couple are spent on guys who will never start, but still contribute.

As far as starting PGs, that's going to be interesting to watch. 2013 recruiting seems to be just about over, the only take I see possibly is a big, and that's looking less likely with the thought being Maymon returning. So that means 2014 team like you said will likely have Landry and possibly Moore at point, and neither of those are starting caliber in the SEC IMO. So that means we need to find a starting caliber PG in the 2014 class who can come in as a freshman and start.

We are in on some good ones, but CCM will obviously have to close the door on one, it's a position of need for sure.
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Yes, and that could be our saving grace. We still have to land one. History is working against us there. Hopefully we land a stud FR, and maybe a JUCO PG as well to ease the transition and for depth purposes. This likely means one of Landry or Moore would have to hit the bricks, but if we bring in two PGs in 2014, one of those two probably sees the writing on the wall.

There is always the transfer route as well, as it seems someone always comes available.
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Very good points.

I'm sure Landry doesn't think he'll be a career backup, but that's jmo and is part of the collee game. You get 13 scholarships, usually a couple are spent on guys who will never start, but still contribute.

As far as starting PGs, that's going to be interesting to watch. 2013 recruiting seems to be just about over, the only take I see possibly is a big, and that's looking less likely with the thought being Maymon returning. So that means 2014 team like you said will likely have Landry and possibly Moore at point, and neither of those are starting caliber in the SEC IMO. So that means we need to find a starting caliber PG in the 2014 class who can come in as a freshman and start.

We are in on some good ones, but CCM will obviously have to close the door on one, it's a position of need for sure.
You're right, Landry probably feels he can contribute as he is playing on a glorified college team now and playing the majority of minutes at the PG position.

I just fear that CCM may be realizing he needs a scorer to run his offense. Golden shouldering the load offensively seems to have made our offense more effective. Now, perhaps having a really good scoring wing player (Hubbs), would change that. Golden doesn't have that luxury, which has forced him to score the basketball. Maybe a facilitating-type PG would work with wing players who were a equal threat to drive or shoot.
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Huntington is down here at the City of Palms tournament. Landry warming up now, let ya know how he plays.
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Yes, and that could be our saving grace. We still have to land one. History is working against us there. Hopefully we land a stud FR, and maybe a JUCO PG as well to ease the transition and for depth purposes. This likely means one of Landry or Moore would have to hit the bricks, but if we bring in two PGs in 2014, one of those two probably sees the writing on the wall.

There is always the transfer route as well, as it seems someone always comes available.
Moore would slide to the wing if Martin brings in 2 legit PGs in one class. Landry would probably have to look around.
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Huntington is down here at the City of Palms tournament. Landry warming up now, let ya know how he plays.
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Huntington is down here at the City of Palms tournament. Landry warming up now, let ya know how he plays.
Be interested in your evaluation of him and the others for HP, particularly if they are similar to the impressions I got last Friday.

Wiggins is unreal in terms of athleticism.
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1st half he hasn't taken a shot an has a couple assists.

He is a very good on ball defender. High pressure and high motor. Offensive side is where I'm a little worried. He doesn't have a very good shot (judging from warmups). He made a few very nice dishes and can handle the ball pretty well. It's a tough environment to really see his skills due to HP running up an down the floor and him pushing the ball 80% of the time.

Wiggins is crazy athletic. Took a lob off of a inbound play an his eyes were at the rim. They are very tall and very athletic. I think that's one reason TM doesn't have good stats at all. He's simply the 4th or 5th option who's overshadowed by really, really good players.
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HP ended up winning by 27. Wiggins finished with 31 and some insane dunks, dude is unreal.

I would say TL takes on the role of a floor general. The system HP runs is not friendly to a point guard so it's hard for him to thrive IMO

Has great intangibles. Defends, can pass, can handle the ball. Was sitting behind their bench and he is a great team player. Coaches love him. Think he can be a decent backup PG here. He does a lot of little things to help his team win. This is all JMO
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