Some thoughts...

[johnnybravo]

Well, I'm sure we will see a Maymon, Hall, Stokes on the floor at some point. CCM did put some line up head scratchers out there quite often last year. So I would not be surprised to see it at some point.

[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

How do you all feel about redshirting yemi...

Before freaking out, hold on...

CCM will wanna go 9 deep, most likely 3 in the post stokes, maymon and hall. So there's a pretty good chance that yemi will see very limited minutes next year except in ases of extreme foul trouble. In that case we do have miller, along with chievous who supposedly can play the 4.

I doubt it will happen, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea. He gets an extra year to learn, which he desperately needs. If an injury occurred he can burn the redshirt and still play if need be.

Just curious on everyone's thoughts...

No. Unless Dwight Miller becomes 5x better.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by omghulkhands

Yeah I don't understand the Maymon at the 3 stuff either. He was so very good last year at the 4 and 5 why would you move him to a more perimeter oriented spot? He crushed the boards and is probably going to be one of the best scorers from inside 8ft in the country.

Part of the reason Maymon to the 3 stuff came back up beyond just speculation is Martin referenced it in at least one interview.

I think part of the thinking is not so much Maymon at the 3 vs Maymon at the 4 but instead, does a Kenny Hall playing at his potential out match any of the wings playing at their potential.

If Hall plays to his potential, in my opinion, he is a better option on the floor than any wing player, also playing to their potential, other than McRae.

So, (BIG) if, everyone is playing to their highest level, a lineup of Golden, McRae, Maymon, Stokes, and Hall is more talented and should have a higher ceiling than Golden, Mcrae, ?????, Maymon, and Stokes. Plus it solves the problem of UT being undersized in the post.

I agree that there are some big assumptions in that hypothesis, mainly can Maymon do the things necessary to play the SF and can Hall bring his game up to snuff. However, as head coach it is Martin's job to explore all reasonable options for putting the best product on the floor as possible.

Also, I think Maymon really wants to show he can play the SF. His road to the NBA would be much easier as a bigger SF that can move than as a smallish PF that has to outwork everyone just to stay on the floor. If Maymon puts the same work in this offseason, to go from PF to SF, that he did last season to go from bench warmer to 2nd team all-SEC; then who knows.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

How do you all feel about redshirting yemi...

Before freaking out, hold on...

CCM will wanna go 9 deep, most likely 3 in the post stokes, maymon and hall. So there's a pretty good chance that yemi will see very limited minutes next year except in ases of extreme foul trouble. In that case we do have miller, along with chievous who supposedly can play the 4.

I doubt it will happen, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea. He gets an extra year to learn, which he desperately needs. If an injury occurred he can burn the redshirt and still play if need be.

Just curious on everyone's thoughts...

I would like to see if Martin lands any big time recruits for 2013 in the early signing period. If Martin actually starts to land some of the big name guys that are at least looking at UT, then I think in 2 years we may not want Yemi holding down a scholarship we could be handing out to a 4 or 5 star.

Otherwise, I don't know if 7-8 minutes/game is more or less valuable than an entire extra year of practice. I tend to think that Yemi would gain more from playing those 7-8 minutes than the practice but that's jmo.

[johnnybravo]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

No. Unless Dwight Miller becomes 5x better.

I see no problem with Miller out on the floor. I wish he was here for next year.

[johnnybravo]

I want to see how this team can handle the total melt downs we continuously saw last year. I thought we solved that problem with the addition of Stokes, but the last 3 games were just as bad as the APSU game.

I also want to see how we handle the added expectations that this team is expected to achieve. We all know that they over achieved last years PRESEASON expectation of finishing 11th in the SEC. But after the second weekend of the season when this team was in Maui we continuously heard that this is an NCAA team. We heard it from columnists, commentators, opposing coaches, and even our own coach. I think at that point when I saw what this team was capable of that this team was an NCAA team and underachieved. Now once Stokes was added to the team, I cleaned the slate and said ok new team let's see what they can do. The future looked bright, but the last 3 games really made me step back once again and sort of question what kind of year 2012 / 13 might be.

Lastly, I think the quality of recruits we see in 2013 / 14 depends on what kind of season we have this year. This is a huge year for Tennessee basketball.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by johnnybravo

I want to see how this team can handle the total melt downs we continuously saw last year. I thought we solved that problem with the addition of Stokes, but the last 3 games were just as bad as the APSU game.

I also want to see how we handle the added expectations that this team is expected to achieve. We all know that they over achieved last years PRESEASON expectation of finishing 11th in the SEC. But after the second weekend of the season when this team was in Maui we continuously heard that this is an NCAA team. We heard it from columnists, commentators, opposing coaches, and even our own coach. I think at that point when I saw what this team was capable of that this team was an NCAA team and underachieved. Now once Stokes was added to the team, I cleaned the slate and said ok new team let's see what they can do. The future looked bright, but the last 3 games really made me step back once again and sort of question what kind of year 2012 / 13 might be.

Lastly, I think the quality of recruits we see in 2013 / 14 depends on what kind of season we have this year. This is a huge year for Tennessee basketball.

It was PG play that really hurt UT last year. Golden was still growing into the roll and was force to play extended minutes due to the lack of a decent back-up. So not only was Golden making some mistakes because of learning to play the position, he made some just due to fatigue. I know people are high on Moore but he will just be a Freshman and IIRC didn't play the PG in high school. If someone does step up and claim the back-up PG minutes, that would go a long way toward fixing many of last years issues.


As for the last 3 games, I still think if Golden doesn't tweak his knee, they would have held on vs MTSU in the NIT. I also wonder how long Maymon played on a bad knee (seems like the LSU game is the first I can remember him hurting it) and just how bad was it. Throw in Hall getting suspended and what progress this team was making heading down the stretch kind of got derailed. I know every team has to deal with injuries/suspensions but it did seems like UT got more than its fair share right there at the end.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

No. Unless Dwight Miller becomes 5x better.

You think yemi is going to see major minutes?

If not I don't see much of a difference of yemi vs miller for less than 5 minute a game.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

I would like to see if Martin lands any big time recruits for 2013 in the early signing period. If Martin actually starts to land some of the big name guys that are at least looking at UT, then I think in 2 years we may not want Yemi holding down a scholarship we could be handing out to a 4 or 5 star.

Otherwise, I don't know if 7-8 minutes/game is more or less valuable than an entire extra year of practice. I tend to think that Yemi would gain more from playing those 7-8 minutes than the practice but that's jmo.

Thats definitely another way to look at it. I'm of the mindset by his jr or senior year, probably senior year, he'll be a force. So following that logic, with a redshirt year IMO he'd be a force his junior and senior year.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

Thats definitely another way to look at it. I'm of the mindset by his jr or senior year, probably senior year, he'll be a force. So following that logic, with a redshirt year IMO he'd be a force his junior and senior year.

I see him being servicable by then. I don't know about a force. He doesn't have an elite offensive game and he doesn't have true big man size. He is listed at 6'9' which means he will never really be bigger than anyone else at the center position, so he wont be able to push people around, and I don't see him really having mid range game to pull other bigs out of the lane. Which leaves him to having to hustle for balls and get points off put backs. Maybe he works on his game enough to overcome a late start at basketball, but I for one don't think Yemi's ceiling is as high as some others on here do. I can definately see him being a starter one but I think it's just as likely he gets recruited over.

[johnnybravo]

Originally Posted by zansdad

It was PG play that really hurt UT last year. Golden was still growing into the roll and was force to play extended minutes due to the lack of a decent back-up. So not only was Golden making some mistakes because of learning to play the position, he made some just due to fatigue. I know people are high on Moore but he will just be a Freshman and IIRC didn't play the PG in high school. If someone does step up and claim the back-up PG minutes, that would go a long way toward fixing many of last years issues.


As for the last 3 games, I still think if Golden doesn't tweak his knee, they would have held on vs MTSU in the NIT. I also wonder how long Maymon played on a bad knee (seems like the LSU game is the first I can remember him hurting it) and just how bad was it. Throw in Hall getting suspended and what progress this team was making heading down the stretch kind of got derailed. I know every team has to deal with injuries/suspensions but it did seems like UT got more than its fair share right there at the end.

Golden averaged 32 minutes a game on the year. A pg in the SEC should be able to play at least that many minutes. Just about all of KY starting 5 average close to 32 per minutes. Teague average 32.6 as a Freshman. Fatigue may have been a factor but shouldn't have been. The team actually got better once Hall was suspended. They went 6-3 with wins over Ark, Ole Miss, at LSU, and Vandy.

Savannah State and Ole Miss was badly a played game as APU early in the year. Absolutely no heart against Ole Miss and no heart or effort against SSU.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

It was PG play that really hurt UT last year. Golden was still growing into the roll and was force to play extended minutes due to the lack of a decent back-up. So not only was Golden making some mistakes because of learning to play the position, he made some just due to fatigue. I know people are high on Moore but he will just be a Freshman and IIRC didn't play the PG in high school. If someone does step up and claim the back-up PG minutes, that would go a long way toward fixing many of last years issues.


As for the last 3 games, I still think if Golden doesn't tweak his knee, they would have held on vs MTSU in the NIT. I also wonder how long Maymon played on a bad knee (seems like the LSU game is the first I can remember him hurting it) and just how bad was it. Throw in Hall getting suspended and what progress this team was making heading down the stretch kind of got derailed. I know every team has to deal with injuries/suspensions but it did seems like UT got more than its fair share right there at the end.

Armani played some point in HS fwiw. I don't know how much more ready hell be than josh, but my gut says Armani will be better equipped to come in and play backup PG than Richardson was.

[olesmokey081764]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

How do you all feel about redshirting yemi...

Before freaking out, hold on...

CCM will wanna go 9 deep, most likely 3 in the post stokes, maymon and hall. So there's a pretty good chance that yemi will see very limited minutes next year except in ases of extreme foul trouble. In that case we do have miller, along with chievous who supposedly can play the 4.

I doubt it will happen, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea. He gets an extra year to learn, which he desperately needs. If an injury occurred he can burn the redshirt and still play if need be.

Just curious on everyone's thoughts...

depending on how things shake out this fall, a yemi redshirt might be a viable option.

for example, if maymon looks like he will get very little burn at the 3 then both he and stokes are going to combine for 60 of the 80 minutes in the post, give the other 20 to hall then chevious and miller only play there when we have foul trouble or mop up duty.

i think the team will be better suited for yemi to hold on to as much eligibility as he can.

[johnnybravo]

Originally Posted by olesmokey081764

depending on how things shake out this fall, a yemi redshirt might be a viable option.

for example, if maymon looks like he will get very little burn at the 3 then both he and stokes are going to combine for 60 of the 80 minutes in the post, give the other 20 to hall then chevious and miller only play there when we have foul trouble or mop up duty.

i think the team will be better suited for yemi to hold on to as much eligibility as he can.

I don't think Chevious is a 4 at all. I think all his minutes will be at the 3. There's a log jam at the 4/5. No need for him to be there.

[Chris4Vols22]

Originally Posted by johnnybravo

I don't think Chevious is a 4 at all. I think all his minutes will be at the 3. There's a log jam at the 4/5. No need for him to be there.

Cheivous at the 4, McBee at the 5, Miller at the 3, Yemi at SG, and Kenny Hall at PG.

Best lineup ever