Tennessee - Sleeper for 2013 tournament

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

I misread OP when it said turned it over 23 percent of possessions. I skimmed it and just took away the 23.

As for Trae's stat line. It's an awful lot to ask a guy to average 10 points on 5 or 6 attempts a game.

Not when you figure he gets to the line on average around 4-5 times a game. 2-5 from the field is 4-6 points and add in the 4-5 ft and that's the 10 point average I said.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

I'm not sure any coach tells their bigs not to rebound. Just the opposite.

I have absolutely heard of coaches to tell their bigs not to crash the offensive glass. I didn't say not to rebound at all, but just the offensive glass. Teams that stress getting back on D the coaches will tell their bigs not to crash the offensive glass.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

Not when you figure he gets to the line on average around 4-5 times a game. 2-5 from the field is 4-6 points and add in the 4-5 ft and that's the 10 point average I said.

Averaging 10 points on 5 shots would be incredible. People actually track points/fga and anything around 1.5 is great. Expecting someone to average around 1.8 - 2.0 is a bit unrealistic.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

I have absolutely heard of coaches to tell their bigs not to crash the offensive glass. I didn't say not to rebound at all, but just the offensive glass. Teams that stress getting back on D the coaches will tell their bigs not to crash the offensive glass.

Well I can't imagine those coaches win a lot of games. Offensive rebounding is essential to winning basketball.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

Averaging 10 points on 5 shots would be incredible. People actually track points/fga and anything around 1.5 is great. Expecting someone to average around 1.8 - 2.0 is a bit unrealistic.

Just looking real quick Aaron Craft averages 9ppg on 6 shots, and the rest of his numbers are basically what I put as traes stat line. The biggest thing with trae though is he gets to that line a lot which will give him more points. Hell at the end of close games he usually tacks on 3 or 4, sometimes more, points from the free throw line.

I used 5 as a ballpark number, if it'd make it better we can say 10ppg on 6 shots though. In fact, on my "shot breakdown" per game I actually said trae getting 6 shots. That makes it 1.6 which falls right in line with what you say is good.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

Well I can't imagine those coaches win a lot of games. Offensive rebounding is essential to winning basketball.

Most of them are your very defensive minded coaches...
Tony Bennett...UVA
Kevin Oneil.....USC
John Beilein....UM

all 3 of those teams were some of the lowest ORBD teams, and that's not by accident.

[cncchris33]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

Most of them are your very defensive minded coaches...
Tony Bennett...UVA
Kevin Oneil.....USC
John Beilein....UM

all 3 of those teams were some of the lowest ORBD teams, and that's not by accident.

It may just be coincidence, but one of those teams won 6 or so games this year, one was beaten by a 13 seed, and one was beaten by 25 points.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by cncchris33

It may just be coincidence, but one of those teams won 6 or so games this year, one was beaten by a 13 seed, and one was beaten by 25 points.

Very true, but 2/3 did something this year Tennessee didn't.( I understand they were in much better position than UT)

Beilein is considered by many though one of the most underrated coaches in the country.

I'm not suggesting this is the way to go, I'm just answering the OP's question. Some coaches do tell their bigs not to crash the offensive glass as aggressively as others do. However, from what I've seen so far I don't expect that to be the case here at Tennessee under CCM.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

Just looking real quick Aaron Craft averages 9ppg on 6 shots, and the rest of his numbers are basically what I put as traes stat line. The biggest thing with trae though is he gets to that line a lot which will give him more points. Hell at the end of close games he usually tacks on 3 or 4, sometimes more, points from the free throw line.

I used 5 as a ballpark number, if it'd make it better we can say 10ppg on 6 shots though. In fact, on my "shot breakdown" per game I actually said trae getting 6 shots. That makes it 1.6 which falls right in line with what you say is good.

Craft scored 345 points on 230 shots Aaron Craft Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Ohio State Buckeyes - ESPN . That is 1.5 points per FGA. And Craft is considered one of the best college PGs. Golden had 462 points on 321 shots Trae Golden Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Tennessee Volunteers - ESPN . That comes out to 1.44 PTA/FGA. To ask Gooden to average 6 shots a game and 10 points is 1.67 points per FGA. That's unfair. If his shots go down his points will have to as well.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

Craft scored 345 points on 230 shots Aaron Craft Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Ohio State Buckeyes - ESPN . That is 1.5 points per FGA. And Craft is considered one of the best college PGs. Golden had 462 points on 321 shots Trae Golden Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Tennessee Volunteers - ESPN . That comes out to 1.44 PTA/FGA. To ask Gooden to average 6 shots a game and 10 points is 1.67 points per FGA. That's unfair. If his shots go down his points will have to as well.

I disagree with your last sentence. How many times did golden take a shot that was an ill-advised low percentage shot? I'm gonna put that number at 2-3 a game.
I'm not asking him to average 14ppg like he did last year, but if he averaged 13.6 ppg on 9.4fga that's a 1.45 ratio. Multiply 1.45 x 6 shots(my suggestion he take) And you get 8.69ppg.

Common sense would suggest the better quality shots you take the better your fg%. Therefore if Goldens taking 10 shots now but 2-3 are bad, if he were to take 5-6 GOOD shots a game his fg% should increase some. If his fg% increases then so does his points/fga.

[bleedingTNorange]

Zans can you post a link to where the rankings for PTs/fga are located, I'd be very curious to see it.

[bleedingTNorange]

As I've said I don't think this stat line is something insane..

10pts 6ast 4rbd 2to 3-6fg 1-3 3pt 3-4ft

That's my hope for Trae next year, and possibly a few more shots/game if they're GOOD shots.

Are my expectations really that unrealistic?

We're looking hopefully at 58-60 fg attempts a game this is my hope for distribution...Maymon: 12, Stokes: 12, Jordan: 8, D'montre: 6, Josh: 5, Trae: 6, Skylar: 3, Kenny: 3, Yemi 3.


What would be your ideal Zans?

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

I disagree with your last sentence. How many times did golden take a shot that was an ill-advised low percentage shot? I'm gonna put that number at 2-3 a game.
I'm not asking him to average 14ppg like he did last year, but if he averaged 13.6 ppg on 9.4fga that's a 1.45 ratio. Multiply 1.45 x 6 shots(my suggestion he take) And you get 8.69ppg.

Common sense would suggest the better quality shots you take the better your fg%. Therefore if Goldens taking 10 shots now but 2-3 are bad, if he were to take 5-6 GOOD shots a game his fg% should increase some. If his fg% increases then so does his points/fga.

Shots are shots. If you ask Golden to take less shots, he is going to take less good ones too. Many of Golden's 'bad' shots were fouls that weren't called. That's going to happen with a guy that likes to penetrate and score.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

Zans can you post a link to where the rankings for PTs/fga are located, I'd be very curious to see it.

I can't find it broken down anywhere. I tried just doing it for Tennesse's players but my computer skills let me down trying to post it. Maymon has the highest on the team if that is any surprise. McRae and Richardson are two of the lowest of the guys that got quality minutes. I will keep looking and see if I can find a site that actually tracks it. I think Kenpom does but it is behind the paywall.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

Shots are shots. If you ask Golden to take less shots, he is going to take less good ones too. Many of Golden's 'bad' shots were fouls that weren't called. That's going to happen with a guy that likes to penetrate and score.

I disagree completely, but I guess well have to settle on that. Asking golden not to take quick 3's or over penetrate and fling up shots shouldn't result in less good shots, I totally disagree.

Thats part of his learning process IMO, learning as a PG what is and isn't a good shot. His fg% definitely has room for improvement that can't be argued, so either his shooting needs to improve or decision of shots needs to. I think it's the latter, but we can agree to disagree.