Chris Jones. PG

[cncchris33]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

Ask Stansbury if he wished he'd have passed up Sydney?

You don't always need to bring in the most talented players if you feel they're not good fits for your team.

Not only that but when he's eligible also is an issue, he'll be the 2013 class. So say we get Harris, you have Harris golden and Landry all on scholarship in 2013. You're trying to sign guys like Nichols, king, hubbs, Johnson, thornwell, ringer etc etc for that class as well.

So do you pass on one of those signees for a 2 year guy, maybe even a 1 year guy in Jones, who plays a position that's already LOADED? I understand he's very talented, but with the way our roster has taken shape, and with the guys CCM is recruiting for 2013, I don't think bringing in Jones is something he's really even considering.

Not sure I buy into your theory. First of all, Chris Jones is not a one year guy. He's 5-9 on a good day. He is a SG in a PGs body. 5-9, shoot first PGs don't get drafted often. He needs some experience and seasoning against major D1 competition and he won't get that in one year.

Secondly, I don't buy that the position will be loaded. Golden is solid at the position. Landry is unproven and only marginally thought of as a prospect. Assuming he pans out though, Golden gives you a better option at SG than we have now with Jones and Landry holding down the PG position. Jones starts and plays for two seasons with Landry as primary backup, then he takes over when Jones leaves. Golden provides depth at both positions.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by cncchris33

Not sure I buy into your theory. First of all, Chris Jones is not a one year guy. He's 5-9 on a good day. He is a SG in a PGs body. 5-9, shoot first PGs don't get drafted often. He needs some experience and seasoning against major D1 competition and he won't get that in one year.

Secondly, I don't buy that the position will be loaded. Golden is solid at the position. Landry is unproven and only marginally thought of as a prospect. Assuming he pans out though, Golden gives you a better option at SG than we have now with Jones and Landry holding down the PG position. Jones starts and plays for two seasons with Landry as primary backup, then he takes over when Jones leaves. Golden provides depth at both positions.

I said he's a 2 year guy, maybe a 1, but most likely a 2. He wouldn't be the first kid to leave school thinking he was a draft lock, see Scotty Hopson.

Anyways...my whole point about being loaded was if Fabyon came here. I'd prefer Fabyon for 12&13 than Jones 13&14. None of your scenarios talk about Harris being here and that was my whole point. That I'd prefer Fabyon here these next 2 years than Jones here in 13&14. We can recruit a stud PG, which we are, for 2014. However, Fabyon is about our only PG option this next year. I'd rather go for it now than sit around and hope Jones comes here.

So this is why I'd prefer Fabyon...next year Fabyon at PG and as you said Trae at the 2. Immediately you improve both positions. Then in 2013 Landry learns behind Fabyon & Trae and in 2014 has that yea of experience. We also are looking to add PG Jaquel Richmond in 2014 whos a combo and could play PG if Landry didn't pan out. This scenario gives us an upgrade at PG & SG immediately, and allow us to continue that success with recruiting the position going forward. However, staying pat and waiting on jones doesn't improve us immediately, I'd prefer to be better sooner.

[cncchris33]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

I said he's a 2 year guy, maybe a 1, but most likely a 2. He wouldn't be the first kid to leave school thinking he was a draft lock, see Scotty Hopson.

Anyways...my whole point about being loaded was if Fabyon came here. I'd prefer Fabyon for 12&13 than Jones 13&14. None of your scenarios talk about Harris being here and that was my whole point. That I'd prefer Fabyon here these next 2 years than Jones here in 13&14. We can recruit a stud PG, which we are, for 2014. However, Fabyon is about our only PG option this next year. I'd rather go for it now than sit around and hope Jones comes here.

So this is why I'd prefer Fabyon...next year Fabyon at PG and as you said Trae at the 2. Immediately you improve both positions. Then in 2013 Landry learns behind Fabyon & Trae and in 2014 has that yea of experience. We also are looking to add PG Jaquel Richmond in 2014 whos a combo and could play PG if Landry didn't pan out. This scenario gives us an upgrade at PG & SG immediately, and allow us to continue that success with recruiting the position going forward. However, staying pat and waiting on jones doesn't improve us immediately, I'd prefer to be better sooner.

Ok. I didn't see any mention of Harris in your post. Maybe I missed it. Under the assumption that he came aboard this year, that would "load" the position a little more.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by cncchris33

Ok. I didn't see any mention of Harris in your post. Maybe I missed it. Under the assumption that he came aboard this year, that would "load" the position a little more.

Bingo.

[bleedingTNorange]

Memphis offered Chris jones apparently yesterday, and Memphis could use an assistant coach.

Package deal?

[PoochPunt3rdDown]

I know I'm probably in the minority, but I hope we make a run for him...

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by PoochPunt3rdDown

I know I'm probably in the minority, but I hope we make a run for him...

id love to have him, i just dont think we will.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

id love to have him, i just dont think we will.

You don't see the irony in the fact you have argued on here for weeks about wanting a "pass first/true PG" and yet you would love for Chris Jones to come here. Jones is the epitome of a "scoring PG."

[Chris4Vols22]

Originally Posted by zansdad

You don't see the irony in the fact you have argued on here for weeks about wanting a "pass first/true PG" and yet you would love for Chris Jones to come here. Jones is the epitome of a "scoring PG."

Could be wrong, but I think Jones can hold his own with passing. He averaged 4 apg while carrying most of the scoring load. He could possibly be more effective in our motion system if he wants to learn.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by zansdad

You don't see the irony in the fact you have argued on here for weeks about wanting a "pass first/true PG" and yet you would love for Chris Jones to come here. Jones is the epitome of a "scoring PG."

he averaged about the same assists as trae, less to, shot better %, and averaged more points all while being a better defender. id be an idiot not to want him.

he was asked to score alot so he did, but he absolutely could average 6 or 7 assists a game in a system with better scorers around him.

how is that irony?

id be an idiot not to want a guy like jones, hes hands down an elite PG, and not the type of player that you pass up. period. i dont recall suggesting that if you could land an elite level PG that you turn him away, did i??? i think the whole pass first thing came with me saying thats what id like to see trae become, because he seemed to have trouble finding that line in between. clearly chris jones doesnt have those same issues that golden does.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by Chris4Vols22

Could be wrong, but I think Jones can hold his own with passing. He averaged 4 apg while carrying most of the scoring load. He could possibly be more effective in our motion system if he wants to learn.

Bingo.

he averaged about what golden did in assists, but with a much better a:to. he was asked to score alot, yet still shot better % than golden, and still managed while pushing to handle the ball and not turn it over.

im feel pretty safe in saying that if he wasnt asked to be the go to guy, he could probably average 6 or 7 assists a game, and still not turn it over very often. while still shooting a great % AND playing great defense until the end of the game.

chris jones is an elite PG, and as i said above, isnt the type of player you pass up if you can land him. with that said, i still dont think we end up with him.

[Shaun1985]

I'm confused why people say Forbes hates Tennessee. Common sense would tell you that he might probably be bitter but he doesn't come off that way. Ever since he left UT, the only really negative things I've ever heard of Forbes saying was in reference to Bruce and Mike Hamilton. All throughout the season he constantly showed support and followed the Vols and even applauded Martin for the job he did. Has he made comments or something about UT that I haven't seen? I'm curious.

IMO, Jones will go wherever Forbes lands but I don't think he would talk him out or prevent him from coming here if Martin recruited him.

[VOLINVONORE]

Originally Posted by Chris4Vols22

Could be wrong, but I think Jones can hold his own with passing. He averaged 4 apg while carrying most of the scoring load. He could possibly be more effective in our motion system if he wants to learn.

I would take him in a heart beat.

[germanicus]

Whatever happens (or doesn't) with Jones and TN will be more about Cuonzo's evaluation of Jones than Forbes being an obstacle. I just think Martin views Jones as a high risk (from an eligibility standpoint) and he he doesn't want to deal with that. You can debate whether or not that is a realistic approach in college basketball, but I think that's the case. Remember, Martin is a guy who spent the majority of his D1 coaching career recruiting for Purdue, a place that can't recruit kids who are margin academically.

Originally Posted by Shaun1985

I'm confused why people say Forbes hates Tennessee. Common sense would tell you that he might probably be bitter but he doesn't come off that way. Ever since he left UT, the only really negative things I've ever heard of Forbes saying was in reference to Bruce and Mike Hamilton. All throughout the season he constantly showed support and followed the Vols and even applauded Martin for the job he did. Has he made comments or something about UT that I haven't seen? I'm curious.

IMO, Jones will go wherever Forbes lands but I don't think he would talk him out or prevent him from coming here if Martin recruited him.

[zansdad]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

he averaged about the same assists as trae, less to, shot better %, and averaged more points all while being a better defender. id be an idiot not to want him.

he was asked to score alot so he did, but he absolutely could average 6 or 7 assists a game in a system with better scorers around him.

how is that irony?

id be an idiot not to want a guy like jones, hes hands down an elite PG, and not the type of player that you pass up. period. i dont recall suggesting that if you could land an elite level PG that you turn him away, did i??? i think the whole pass first thing came with me saying thats what id like to see trae become, because he seemed to have trouble finding that line in between. clearly chris jones doesnt have those same issues that golden does.

I will just take that answer to be, no you don't see the irony.