Chris Jones. PG

[omghulkhands]

If Chris Jones came to UT then I would eat dog food........again

[Shaun1985]

I don't think we land Jones and Martin's recent recruitment actions pretty much sums that up.

[DeepSpringsVol]

Originally Posted by Shaun1985

I don't think we land Jones and Martin's recent recruitment actions pretty much sums that up.

Well that seems like an error to me. If Jones is a can't miss then if the kid wants to come here it is hard to say no thanks. Now I obviously I think Jones doesn't want to attend here anymore because he liked Bruce and that is fine. I just hope he doesn't end up at a rival and smash us.

[SlyStone]

I don't believe Chris Jones is on CCM's radar at the moment.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by johnnybravo

You never pass up better talent for lesser talent.
Jones > Golden + Harris + Landry

We will be thinking what could have been when Jones gets to a D1 school.

Ask Stansbury if he wished he'd have passed up Sydney?

You don't always need to bring in the most talented players if you feel they're not good fits for your team.

Not only that but when he's eligible also is an issue, he'll be the 2013 class. So say we get Harris, you have Harris golden and Landry all on scholarship in 2013. You're trying to sign guys like Nichols, king, hubbs, Johnson, thornwell, ringer etc etc for that class as well.

So do you pass on one of those signees for a 2 year guy, maybe even a 1 year guy in Jones, who plays a position that's already LOADED? I understand he's very talented, but with the way our roster has taken shape, and with the guys CCM is recruiting for 2013, I don't think bringing in Jones is something he's really even considering.

[calban]

Originally Posted by omghulkhands

If Chris Jones came to UT then I would eat dog food........again

What brand? I prefer kibble.

[omghulkhands]

Originally Posted by calban

What brand? I prefer kibble.

Purina

[johnnybravo]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

Ask Stansbury if he wished he'd have passed up Sydney?

You don't always need to bring in the most talented players if you feel they're not good fits for your team.

Not only that but when he's eligible also is an issue, he'll be the 2013 class. So say we get Harris, you have Harris golden and Landry all on scholarship in 2013. You're trying to sign guys like Nichols, king, hubbs, Johnson, thornwell, ringer etc etc for that class as well.

So do you pass on one of those signees for a 2 year guy, maybe even a 1 year guy in Jones, who plays a position that's already LOADED? I understand he's very talented, but with the way our roster has taken shape, and with the guys CCM is recruiting for 2013, I don't think bringing in Jones is something he's really even considering.

You bring in Sydney if you have a program that you can control. Ask Calipari. Cousin's had just as much baggage and probably much worse disposition. We can't ask Stansbury anything since he couldn't contol, motivate, or coach his team.

So since you don't take a 2 year guy are you saying we should pass on the JUCO Fabyon Harris?

Just because you have multiple players playing the same position doesn't mean we are LOADED. If they are all average to below average talent then you upgrade and cut the dead weight.

[Shaun1985]

Originally Posted by DeepSpringsVol

Well that seems like an error to me. If Jones is a can't miss then if the kid wants to come here it is hard to say no thanks. Now I obviously I think Jones doesn't want to attend here anymore because he liked Bruce and that is fine. I just hope he doesn't end up at a rival and smash us.

Maybe it's just me but I don't look at Jones as a high quality kid like Stokes or anything Kentucky gets. He don't make or break a program IMO. We already have a good guard that has been learning the system who's going to be a SR and then we have 2 more guys coming in behind him. Granted, a couple of those guys could slide to the 2 spot, including the man running the show but I highly doubt it.

[Shaun1985]

Also, I'm pretty sure Forbes hates Bruce Pearl and not UT. Wasn't there an SI article some time back about how Pearl just left his assistants out to dry and was living it up by going on 5 or 6 vacations while his assistants struggled to pay bills when everything went down with the NCAAs?

[johnnybravo]

It's been said already, but I would not be surprised that Forbes and Jones is a package deal to D1.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by johnnybravo

You bring in Sydney if you have a program that you can control. Ask Calipari. Cousin's had just as much baggage and probably much worse disposition. We can't ask Stansbury anything since he couldn't contol, motivate, or coach his team.

So since you don't take a 2 year guy are you saying we should pass on the JUCO Fabyon Harris?

Just because you have multiple players playing the same position doesn't mean we are LOADED. If they are all average to below average talent then you upgrade and cut the dead weight.

From what i heard many players attributed losses From that team to chemistry, directly connected to cousins. So yea Calipari controlled him, but only to an extent he was still a cancer. Also, calipari has proven he doesn't mind going after those guys, has ccm proven that yet?

No what im saying is I doubt he wants to sign a juco in the 13' class, it's one less HS player he could sign in that class. He is in on some top talent in that class and at positions that are in much more dire need than PG. As I said Fabyon at PG is equivalent to Pierre Jackson, if you think that's below average well I'm sorry.

Exactly upgrade. With Harris at pg I'd say we are about a B+ or an A at PG. meanwhile positions 3,4 & 5 are all positions that right now wouldn't grade out that high. So those are your positions of need, thus the reason he going hard after hubbs, king, Nichols, ringer and kingsley among others. If you think for a second he'd prefer jones over anyone of those guys then once again I'm sorry.

Chris Jones is a great talent, but when you factor in that if we land Harris he's not that much of an upgrade PLUS it'll be his first year here and Harris' second. Also, that we only have do many scholarships and ccm would rather use them on the hs kids he's after in 2013 than a juco pg who we already have one of(and a good one). And the fact that I think ccm would prefer not to bring him here after everything that happened and would prefer to cut ties.

If we miss on Fabyon and don't sign anyone else then maybe, but I still don't see it. And that was my whole original point, I'd prefer Fabyon this year and next over jones 13&14.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by Shaun1985

Maybe it's just me but I don't look at Jones as a high quality kid like Stokes or anything Kentucky gets. He don't make or break a program IMO. We already have a good guard that has been learning the system who's going to be a SR and then we have 2 more guys coming in behind him. Granted, a couple of those guys could slide to the 2 spot, including the man running the show but I highly doubt it.

This.

With golden here and Landry in 13 and hopefully Fabyon in 12&13, it makes no sense to me to bring in jones. 4 scholarships on PG, when your biggest weakness would be other positions at that point.

[johnnybravo]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

From what i heard many players attributed losses From that team to chemistry, directly connected to cousins. So yea Calipari controlled him, but only to an extent he was still a cancer. Also, calipari has proven he doesn't mind going after those guys, has ccm proven that yet?

No what im saying is I doubt he wants to sign a juco in the 13' class, it's one less HS player he could sign in that class. He is in on some top talent in that class and at positions that are in much more dire need than PG. As I said Fabyon at PG is equivalent to Pierre Jackson, if you think that's below average well I'm sorry.

Exactly upgrade. With Harris at pg I'd say we are about a B+ or an A at PG. meanwhile positions 3,4 & 5 are all positions that right now wouldn't grade out that high. So those are your positions of need, thus the reason he going hard after hubbs, king, Nichols, ringer and kingsley among others. If you think for a second he'd prefer jones over anyone of those guys then once again I'm sorry.

Chris Jones is a great talent, but when you factor in that if we land Harris he's not that much of an upgrade PLUS it'll be his first year here and Harris' second. Also, that we only have do many scholarships and ccm would rather use them on the hs kids he's after in 2013 than a juco pg who we already have one of(and a good one). And the fact that I think ccm would prefer not to bring him here after everything that happened and would prefer to cut ties.

If we miss on Fabyon and don't sign anyone else then maybe, but I still don't see it. And that was my whole original point, I'd prefer Fabyon this year and next over jones 13&14.

I doubt we land Fabyon unless CCM guarantees him a starting spot and moves Golden to the 2. I don't think that's in CCM character to do that to sign a kid. Why would Fabyon come to UT with a high possibility of backing up Golden for 2 years? If Golden was going into his Senior year the odds go up considerably of landing him, but not going into his Junior year.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by johnnybravo

I doubt we land Fabyon unless CCM guarantees him a starting spot and moves Golden to the 2. I don't think that's in CCM character to do that to sign a kid. Why would Fabyon come to UT with a high possibility of backing up Golden for 2 years? If Golden was going into his Senior year the odds go up considerably of landing him, but not going into his Junior year.

The same could be said about jones, he'll have started 2 years in juco he's gonna wanna start at d1 too.

Golden will be a senior, and as you said ccm won't promise him a spot in 14' over Landry and any other PG we may sign in the 14' class like Richmond who were in on strong.

With that said in not necessarily agreeing just saying it works both ways what you're saying. I could see CCM saying if you come here you'll compete with golden and will have a good chane of strting at PG with a strong showing because of traes natural position being the 2.