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03-25-2012, 12:40 PM
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| This coach's first four postseason seasons:
Never won conference tourney, 1 NIT loss in the first. 1 NIT loss in the quarters. Two second round NCAA losses. In his first eleven season. That'd be Coach K
This coach's first four postseason seasons:
3 NIT Semi's, 1 NIT first round. Never won his conference or conference tourney.
That'd be Bob Knight.
I did choose the two best coaches of all time, so it's a little skewed and no I'm not trying to say Coach Martin is those coaches, because some idiot sap will ensue that.
The point is this: It's almost pointless to judge a coach on his postseason results his first four years as a coach.
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03-25-2012, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by zjcvols This coach's first four postseason seasons:
Never won conference tourney, 1 NIT loss in the first. 1 NIT loss in the quarters. Two second round NCAA losses. In his first eleven season. That'd be Coach K
This coach's first four postseason seasons:
3 NIT Semi's, 1 NIT first round. Never won his conference or conference tourney.
That'd be Bob Knight.
I did choose the two best coaches of all time, so it's a little skewed and no I'm not trying to say Coach Martin is those coaches, because some idiot sap will ensue that.
The point is this: It's almost pointless to judge a coach on his postseason results his first four years as a coach. | I see your point but to be fair:
Coach Knight 2nd season at Indiana final 4.
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03-25-2012, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by San Diego Vol How many national championships has CCM won? Zero. He freaking sucks. (sarcasm) |  | |
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03-25-2012, 12:55 PM
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| And as I said, and I believe it's being forgotten...
Ccm has overachieved in the regular season to create these "expectations".
How many pre season would have said a #1 NIT seed and 2nd round exit was acceptable for this team? The majority.
Instead though he does a great coaching job and exceeds expectations for the regular season, so now people raise expectations for post season. Not fair IMO.
Let's see how he does once he has the proven team, and is expected to do something. Next year is a year which we should get into the tourney no problem and should only be playing for seeding down the stretch. If we end up not in the dance, and lose early in the NIT well that's be a disappointment.
I guess that's my point, how many of his post seasons were/should have been "disappointments"? How many of those tourneys was he actually "expected" to do better but failed? | 
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03-25-2012, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange And as I said, and I believe it's being forgotten...
Ccm has overachieved in the regular season to create these "expectations".
How many pre season would have said a #1 NIT seed and 2nd round exit was acceptable for this team? The majority.
Instead though he does a great coaching job and exceeds expectations for the regular season, so now people raise expectations for post season. Not fair IMO.
Let's see how he does once he has the proven team, and is expected to do something. Next year is a year which we should get into the tourney no problem and should only be playing for seeding down the stretch. If we end up not in the dance, and lose early in the NIT well that's be a disappointment.
I guess that's my point, how many of his post seasons were/should have been "disappointments"? How many of those tourneys was he actually "expected" to do better but failed? | I'm not saying he didn't do a good job this year. He did, just the postseason was disappointing, given the seeding UT had. | |
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03-25-2012, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by WA_Vol I see your point but to be fair:
Coach Knight 2nd season at Indiana final 4. | Coach knight took 8 years as a HC
Coach k took 11 years as a HC
CCM is in his 4th year
That's the point.
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Originally Posted by WA_Vol I'm not saying he didn't do a good job this year. He did, just the postseason was disappointing, given the seeding UT had. | That's my point exactly. Is it fair to have expected more from them because of their regular season.
They weren't predicted pre season to be a NIT #1 and make it to round 2. So how is it fair to expect that from them, simply because they overachieved in the regular season? I think most people would have said that was an acceptable post season outcome prior to the year. | |
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Originally Posted by WA_Vol I list every post season tournament he was in and his seed # and the seed he played and I am withholding information? | Well, my point is that your information obviously doesn't tell the whole story.
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| Unless I'm wrong (and I very well might be), when Bob Knight started, wasn't the NIT bigger than the NCAA? | |
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03-25-2012, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KentheOrange Well, my point is that your information obviously doesn't tell the whole story. | so you were expecting me to list an injury report for both teams for each tournament game they played?? | |
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03-25-2012, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by WA_Vol I see your point but to be fair:
Coach Knight 2nd season at Indiana final 4. | I see your point too, but it's way too early to judge right now.
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03-25-2012, 03:31 PM
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| Occasionally overachieving in the regular season and always underachieving in the tourney is a tradition in the Gene Keady coaching tree. Keady, Weber, Stallings, Painter, Lavin. So far, Cuonzo fits the profile, but I still hold out hope that he can break the curse. | |
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03-25-2012, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WA_Vol Yeah the postseason means nothing in NCAA basketball  | What you are failing to understand is, there are about 5 or 6 elite coaches in all of NCAA Basketball...then there is everyone else. In the "everyone else", if I had to guess about 75 pct of them have resumes just like Coach Martins. The difference being, Coach Martin has coached a very short time. Even worse, he has only coached 1 season of major D1 basketball.
He only has a shot at 2 Championships at the end of the year. One bad game is going to knock you out of both of those at this level. Coach Martin is not out there playing, it is up to his players not to have that bad game. Even the best post season coaches lose. Perfect gameplans don't always equal success.
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03-25-2012, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by WA_Vol I see your point but to be fair:
Coach Knight 2nd season at Indiana final 4. | Coach Martin 2nd season at Tennessee - TBD.
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03-25-2012, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by UTFanForLife Coach Martin 2nd season at Tennessee - TBD. | What he's failing to mention is Knights 2nd year at Indiana was his 8th year as a head coach.
Ccm 2nd season will only be his 4th season as a head coach.
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