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03-22-2011, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by shyster  I think it is interesting that Slive was involved as counsel for U of I to counter the allegations of BP. Isn't it also true that UT system President Joe DiPietro has multiple degrees from U of I? | That's not what I got from it. Slive was hired by UI to run the internal investigation. His job was to discover the truth and paint a worst case scenario picture for the university. That's why the UI recruiter's lawyer had to marginalize him. Slive was the IA cop who works for the police busting the dirty policemen.
It makes you wonder though. Slive got canned by UI for allegedly being involved in a Pearl/NCAA conspiracy. Did this leave a bad taste in his mouth for Pearl? Could it have made him too eager to punish Pearl when this round of trouble came around in order to avoid any more allegations that he was complicit in Pearl's shady dealings?
Weird stuff. | 
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03-22-2011, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbouti That's not what I got from it. Slive was hired by UI to run the internal investigation. His job was to discover the truth and paint a worst case scenario picture for the university. That's why the UI recruiter's lawyer had to marginalize him. Slive was the IA cop who works for the police busting the dirty policemen.
It makes you wonder though. Slive got canned by UI for allegedly being involved in a Pearl/NCAA conspiracy. Did this leave a bad taste in his mouth for Pearl? Could it have made him too eager to punish Pearl when this round of trouble came around in order to avoid any more allegations that he was complicit in Pearl's shady dealings?
Weird stuff. | I can't agree or disagree as to Slive's role or how or what he did. But it is really "weird" as you say about the convergence of BP and Slive again. I would like to know more about DiPietro's time at U of I, too. I think weird is a good way to describe that too. Whole lot of U of I and U of T with B the P. | |
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03-22-2011, 08:42 PM
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03-22-2011, 08:46 PM
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| Yeah, I kinda take these Illinois sport reports or blogs or whatever with a grain of salt. It is a lot like Bama's explanation of Phil Fulmer and Means. | |
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03-22-2011, 08:57 PM
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| So two things are clear:
1. Illinois clearly offered the kid money.
2. Pearl tried to use this to benefit his school, and his career.
Wasn't ethical, but I can see why he would want to turn them in. I just dont agree with hurting the player.
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03-22-2011, 08:58 PM
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| And every college coach has a lot of the snake-oil salesman stench to him. It's not unique to Pearl.
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03-22-2011, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Vols520 And every college coach has a lot of the snake-oil salesman stench to him. It's not unique to Pearl.
Posted via VolNation Mobile | The only difference between Pearl and most other college coaches is that Bruce got caught and put his program in jeopardy.
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03-22-2011, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lylsmorr The only difference between Pearl and most other college is that Bruce got caught and put his program in jeopardy. | I would agree with that. Posted via VolNation Mobile | |
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03-22-2011, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by shyster Yeah, I kinda take these Illinois sport reports or blogs or whatever with a grain of salt. It is a lot like Bama's explanation of Phil Fulmer and Means. | The Illini fans are a special type of delusional creature. If they were in the same conference as us, I think they would raise to the level of hated nearly as much as Bama or UK. It's a great academic institution, but that does not translate to their fanbase. | |
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03-22-2011, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GreyWolf1129 College sports is big business, and big business is dirty. It it literally that simple.
The facts are out there, and more seem to emerge on a daily basis.
Bruce Pearl is dirty; he has been caught; and he has been fired. It is, again, literally that simple.
Any person who stands behind Pearl at this point has made it clear that their loyalty lies with a cheating POS who placed self above all else...including the university he claimed to love. Bruce Pearl loves none other than Bruce Pearl, and if you support that...then you are cut from the same cloth.
Good riddance to yet another stain on UT Athletics.
And one more really good reason why Mike Hamilton should be next.
Can we flush the toilet, once and for all, and try to restore some measure of integrity, and pride, in UT Athletics?
We have laid down with the dogs, and woken up with the fleas. It's time to scrub them off, and restore the honor, and pride, that we all used to feel about the Big Orange.
Before it's too late.
Go Vols. | Agreed that it's become BIG BUSINESS...and I'll not get
into the name calling tho...lol
but to restore some sort of dignity to our beloved
University...should we not start with all of the people
that kept pearl on, even after all of this came out, most
def Hambone but why not the OTHERS that we all know
of...
they misled us all, just for the all mighty dollar by
keeping BP on this season...now it's a problem with
integrity...rotflmmfao....sounds like the board and chancellor were
complicit....seems we have alot of integrity issues
now....starting at the top......jmo...
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03-22-2011, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbouti That's not what I got from it. Slive was hired by UI to run the internal investigation. His job was to discover the truth and paint a worst case scenario picture for the university. That's why the UI recruiter's lawyer had to marginalize him. Slive was the IA cop who works for the police busting the dirty policemen.
It makes you wonder though. Slive got canned by UI for allegedly being involved in a Pearl/NCAA conspiracy. Did this leave a bad taste in his mouth for Pearl? Could it have made him too eager to punish Pearl when this round of trouble came around in order to avoid any more allegations that he was complicit in Pearl's shady dealings?
Weird stuff. | Throw in how the NCAA makes their payments from the revenue of the tourney. How does it effect the SEC? You certainly would want a team that went to the elite 8 last year to make it in this year, to maximize "credits". He said himself he thought a half season was warranted because of Pearl's admission. Which seemed kind of weak at the time. | |
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03-22-2011, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GoBigOrangeVols Nothing in there that hasn't been known for years. Still the same he said/he said crap.
Pearl was dirty for taping a kid, Collins was dirtier for paying a kid to play for him.
The cumulative nature of everything CBP did both at Iowa and at Tennessee will never amount to the violation Collins made at Illinois. | This | |
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03-22-2011, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GoBigOrangeVols Nothing in there that hasn't been known for years. Still the same he said/he said crap.
Pearl was dirty for taping a kid, Collins was dirtier for paying a kid to play for him.
The cumulative nature of everything CBP did both at Iowa and at Tennessee will never amount to the violation Collins made at Illinois. | Quote:
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Originally Posted by Vols520 ... 1. Illinois clearly offered the kid money.... |
I assume there is some proof you can point us to.
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03-22-2011, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by VolDad I assume there is some proof you can point us to.
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The quotes from the recording two. Posted via VolNation Mobile | |
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03-22-2011, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Vols520 The quotes from the NCAA investigators for one.
The NCAA did not find Illinois guilty of any wrongdoing relating to Thomas' recruitment, finding that the purported evidence provided was not "credible, persuasive and of a kind on which reasonably prudent persons rely in the conduct of serious affairs.
The quotes from the recording two.
Thomas denied the allegations and said the story was false, that he was agreeing with Pearl only to try to get rid of him. Thomas later passed a polygraph test in which he denied Pearl's accusation of Illinois offering cash and a car. |
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