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Old 03-18-2011, 08:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Mechanics of the Show-Cause

As I understand it, the show-cause penalty is only relevant for a coach seeking employment from a member institution. In other words, before a school can hire a guy who has been hit with this penalty, they would have to "show cause" as to why they should be able to hire that individual without negative repercussion.

This penalty is therefore only going to be given to a guy who has already been fired. By definition, it doesn't apply to a guy who already has a job. So if Pearl doesn't get fired, the question of show-cause doesn't even come into play. And if he does get fired, none of us should really particularly care whether he gets hit with the penalty as it will be quite irrelevant to our program.

So why is it that everybody and their cousin on this board seems fixated on the "show-cause" vs. not "show-cause" issue? Why is it continually raised and discussed in seemingly every thread on this board?

What is it that I'm missing or misunderstanding about this particular penalty? Somebody please enlighten me.
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think people just use the term "show cause" as a sort of umbrella term since it is the most severe of the penalties that the NCAA can hit a coach with. The assumed fallout is that a show cause makes a coach radioactive and any school employing a coach saddled with that penalty will surely get nailed by the NCAA as well to the tune of scholarship reductions and a post season ban.

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Old 03-18-2011, 09:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I posted the same explanation last night.
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Old 03-18-2011, 12:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I admit I dont understand alot about it, so IF CBP doesnt get fired, the "show cause" doesnt really affect us? Or would there be other penalty such as a ban? If the NCAA doesn't think that CBP will be fired, would they use a different penalty? I am confused...
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Old 03-18-2011, 12:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Show cause can be given to a coach who has a current job. The penalty will put them on probation/suspension and before being allowed to return to full duty the institution, UT, will have to show cause.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Show cause can be given to a coach who has a current job. The penalty will put them on probation/suspension and before being allowed to return to full duty the institution, UT, will have to show cause.
Can you cite an example -- other than Tarkanian* -- of this ever happening?

*Who never ended up having to sit out a single game.
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Show Cause

A little history of the NCAA's show cause rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show-Cause_Penalty_(NCAA)


hit the SHOW CAUSE PENALTY(NCAA)

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Old 03-19-2011, 08:44 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Bruce Pearl- Lied to NCAA about feeding cheeseburgers and potato salad to recruits at his house. After the cookout, Pearl called the recruits and begged them not to give up his wife's recipe for the potato salad, claiming it was a family secret.
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Only one coach thats returned to coaching after being hit with the show cause penalty. I find that interesting.
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:58 PM   #10 (permalink)
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begs the question, is there a way for pearl to avoid the show cause???
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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yeah,,dont lie to the AA to start with,,pretty much a done deal now,,IMO
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I found this interesting on the Wiki show cause page when discussing Dave Bliss:
"Two of his assistants were also given show-cause penalties of five and seven years, respectively. The assistant who taped the conversations escaped NCAA punishment, but has been effectively blackballed by the coaching fraternity; his only coaching job since the scandal was one year as a graduate assistant at a Division II school."
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The question I have is, what is a valid "cause" that a school can "show"?
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There isn't one and they can't basically.
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