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04-20-2008, 11:23 PM
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| Your right Hochevar has lived up to the expectations of being the #1 draft pick, he's absolutly dominating at every level of the minors. | 
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04-20-2008, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by volfanbill  if you really think Hochevar only got called up because he was the #1 draft pick not even two years ago, it proves you know nothing about the game of baseball, so don't even try. | Hell, i don't why he got called up, i was just suggesting something. You have to remember what orginization he plays for, there is a reason why they've always been terrible. | |
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04-21-2008, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA Hell, i don't why he got called up, i was just suggesting something. You have to remember what orginization he plays for, there is a reason why they've always been terrible. | First off, we haven't always been terrible. Secondly, Hochevar making it to the major league level in the little amount of time he did is attributed to his talent level. That is quite an achievement, and I don't think he's getting anything handed to him. He was called up b/c Bale was put on the DL.
I won't pretend we are a great team b/c we are anything but, but Hochevar is still very young as a baseball prospect and to call him underachieving is a reflection of your credibility thus far. As many prospects are, Hochevar is very aggressive at this point of his career. He goes right after batters, and that can be bad when you're inexperienced. He also got absolutely no support from our bats tonight and probably tried to do too much.
Anyway, didn't get to see Hochevar's start last year so I'm hoping he's still in the show when I get back home.
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04-21-2008, 07:16 AM
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| didn't Hochevar burn some bridges somewhere by holding out for more money?
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04-21-2008, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA Hell, i don't why he got called up, i was just suggesting something. You have to remember what orginization he plays for, there is a reason why they've always been terrible. | You might as well admit that you know absolutely nothing about talent scouts, farm systems, and player development. The Royals are not bad because they do not know how to evaluate and develop talent. They are bad because they can never afford to keep that talent.
Hochevar is going to be pretty good. Yes, he got rocked yesterday. It was his first big league outing...after only one year in Omaha. The kid has great stuff. By the end of the year, he will prove to a lot of people that he deserved to be drafted so highly. Unfortunately for me, that means that he will probably not be on the Royals roster in 2010 (maybe not even 2009).
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04-21-2008, 07:55 AM
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| I think overrated is the better word for Hochevar. | |
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04-21-2008, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by therealUT You might as well admit that you know absolutely nothing about talent scouts, farm systems, and player development. The Royals are not bad because they do not know how to evaluate and develop talent. They are bad because they can never afford to keep that talent.
Hochevar is going to be pretty good. Yes, he got rocked yesterday. It was his first big league outing...after only one year in Omaha. The kid has great stuff. By the end of the year, he will prove to a lot of people that he deserved to be drafted so highly. Unfortunately for me, that means that he will probably not be on the Royals roster in 2010 (maybe not even 2009). | I agree he could be good, but anybody that believes that he's meeting expectations are just homers, or they got their head so far their a$$ they can't see the truth. | |
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04-21-2008, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA I think overrated is the better word for Hochevar. | Quote:
Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA I agree he could be good, but anybody that believes that he's meeting expectations are just homers, or they got their head so far their a$$ they can't see the truth. | Anyone who is already declaring him a bust or overrated, knows absolutely nothing about baseball. Tell me, how did Jake Peavy do his first six games in the Bigs? Hmm...he surrended 23 runs over 31 innings. I guess he was a bust and was overrated...
Zambrano gave up seven runs in his first four innings in the Bigs.
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04-21-2008, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by therealUT Anyone who is already declaring him a bust or overrated, knows absolutely nothing about baseball. Tell me, how did Jake Peavy do his first six games in the Bigs? Hmm...he surrended 23 runs over 31 innings. I guess he was a bust and was overrated...
Zambrano gave up seven runs in his first four innings in the Bigs. | You know nothing about baseball because Peavy was drafted in the 15th round so his expectations weren't high, but he dominated the minors unlike Hochevar. | |
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04-21-2008, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA You know nothing about baseball because Peavy was drafted in the 15th round so his expectations weren't high, but he dominated the minors unlike Hochevar. | name one player, a pitcher especially who has been determined a bust or a success in such a short time. | |
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04-21-2008, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA You know nothing about baseball because Peavy was drafted in the 15th round so his expectations weren't high, but he dominated the minors unlike Hochevar. | Wow...spending your first four years "dominating" sub AA ball in no way impresses me as much as spending one your first year in AA, your second in AAA, and your third in the Majors. Great argument, though. I cannot wait to hear what you bring to the table next.
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04-21-2008, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by volfanbill name one player, a pitcher especially who has been determined a bust or a success in such a short time. | Kerry Wood...we all know how that turned out.
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LG, when I think of UT football I think about world class sprinter WR's, like Gault,...fast bruising hard to tackle RB's, great OL play and a D that'll knock your d**k in the dirt. That's from the Johnny Major era thru the Philip Fulmer era.--HIGHTIDE 25 APR
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04-21-2008, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by volfanbill name one player, a pitcher especially who has been determined a bust or a success in such a short time. | Nobody has called him a bust yet. | |
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04-21-2008, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by therealUT Kerry Wood...we all know how that turned out. | Wood was drafted in '95, I don't recall him playing until the start of the '98 season. | |
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04-21-2008, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA Nobody has called him a bust yet. | ok name one player, a pitcher preferably who you can decide has underachieved in just one and half years of playing professional baseball. | |
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