Has Serrano Conceded the State in Recruiting?

[BruinVol]

Being able to turn a fring talent into a star is huge when rebuilding a program but it cant be the long term plan. DS must begin to get some of those top 150 type talents to sign and the come to school over the draft. If his plan is to take every mid 80's type arm because they have some pitchability as opposed to recruiting the elite talent then he will fail in a conference that has proven elite talent wins!

[Playball]

really? ask Florida how that worked out for them this year. By far the most talented team in the country. All i'm saying is recruiting is based upon projectability, not fact. I certainly don't think your opinions are wrong or without merit, i just choose to go with DS's system which has proven to be pretty good. And to prove my point, DS coached in the Big West, if you listen to the so called "experts" its a notch below the PAC, which means you don't get the 5 tool dudes, you get the "so called" 1 notch down dudes. yet all he has managed to do is get to the CWS. Theory is nice, but numbers don't lie. always enjoy reading your post Bruin, obviously a knowledgeable dude.

[BruinVol]

Originally Posted by Playball

really? ask Florida how that worked out for them this year. By far the most talented team in the country. All i'm saying is recruiting is based upon projectability, not fact. I certainly don't think your opinions are wrong or without merit, i just choose to go with DS's system which has proven to be pretty good. And to prove my point, DS coached in the Big West, if you listen to the so called "experts" its a notch below the PAC, which means you don't get the 5 tool dudes, you get the "so called" 1 notch down dudes. yet all he has managed to do is get to the CWS. Theory is nice, but numbers don't lie. always enjoy reading your post Bruin, obviously a knowledgeable dude.

Are you saying florida is evidence your theory is better?

[BruinVol]

Originally Posted by Playball

All i'm saying is recruiting is based upon projectability, not fact.

Theory is nice, but numbers don't lie.

playball you and I should grab a beer. it sounds like we could have a great discussion about this. Here is my take and I don't think our opinion is far apart from each other.

There are three types of recruitable players.
1) players that are extremely productive but slightly shy in a tool of being elite or body type. This player isn't the type that is a threat to be a draft out of high school.

2) players that are very projectable but lack in some area of being productive. This type player is very appealing to pro scouts as they aren't concerned with winning games.

3) players that are elite talents that are also polished productive projectable players . This player is a high draft pick out of high school.


If I understand your point you think DS favors the type 1 player. I agree totally with you if the first 2 type players are the only choice but my point is if Tennessee is to be successful those type 3 players have to put on an orange uniform.

[Playball]

Not at all, just pointing out that games still have to be played. it's not an exact science and no one method is an absolute. I've had my doors blown off by ched, and my feet screwed into the ground by thumbers, wouldn't want to face either if i had a choice. good is good and they come in all different forms of the word. just saying i like the vols chances with a guy like DS at the helm. Doesnt guarantee anything, but it ups probability, and that's all you can ask for in this manic game we call baseball. with that said, I had Florida winning it all before the season started. Eliminated by Kent state, on any given day my friend.

[ShowmeVols]

Well, I don't know the individual players and I hope you're right.

From what I've seen so far in the Serrano era, I'm expecting a few years with very big recruiting classes, each noticeably but not dramatically better than the one before, and high turnover as he decides which of the rocks in each class are really diamonds.

That process should take about three years to get to the top half of the conference. Once there, he should be able to consistently bring in top 20 recruiting classes like he had in California. If you're right and it happens sooner, I will be very happy to be wrong.

[Playball]

Bruin, i live in cali but will be there the 16th for a few days, would love to get a beer and get to know some people! i take it you're local? BTW, Your spot on with your previous post!

Showmevol, I couldn't have said it any better! typically it wld take more than 3 years to turn a dog program(sorry) into a contender, but once upon a time there was a little bitty school name uc urvine who proved that theory wrong. Horton did it at oregon and DS did it at Urvine, and i believe they both learned how to do it from a guy named Augie Garrido. The vols will be young but willing to run through a wall for DS or the turnover rate you talk about will start sooner rather than later! 2 years and people are going to be shaking their heads, The Univerisity Of Tennessee will no longer be an easy win!

Pride will be restored boys, that i know will happen.

[Backwards K]

Losing the two JUCO players to the pros (for low signing bonuses) will really affect the Vols' success this year. The talent on the pitching staff will continue to be very thin.