Hayden Stone no longer a Vol, now a Dore

[terrypedigo]

This is what vol nation thinks of him.

[DeerPark12]

In baseball, not all scholarships are equal with the 11.7 rule. Did you guys stop to consider that Vandy's was worth a little more? Remember, with 20+ newcomers next year, the 2013 class won't have a lot of scholarship dollars to go around.

[golfballs]

Originally Posted by terrypedigo

This is what vol nation thinks of him.

terrypedigo = poster of the year, IMO

[BruinVol]

Originally Posted by DeerPark12

In baseball, not all scholarships are equal with the 11.7 rule. Did you guys stop to consider that Vandy's was worth a little more? Remember, with 20+ newcomers next year, the 2013 class won't have a lot of scholarship dollars to go around.

Deer can you dig into this need based money that I am hearing candy has giving them virtually double the 11.7 allowed? How the NCAA allows this to happen if what i am being told is correct is beyond me!

[ThatGuy865]

The NCAA can't do anything about Vandy's financial aid program.

[BruinVol]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy865

The NCAA can't do anything about Vandy's financial aid program.

If an athlete gets more need based money than they would have as a regular student it certainly is an NCAA issue. From what I am told that is the case.

[ThatGuy865]

They do it for every student not just athletes.

[BruinVol]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy865

They do it for every student not just athletes.

Correct but it's the amount that is in question.


Baseball player not on baseball scholarship being middle class better being paying the same amount another middle class student is paying after need based money or a serious advantage is happening here.

[DeerPark12]

Originally Posted by BruinVol

If an athlete gets more need based money than they would have as a regular student it certainly is an NCAA issue. From what I am told that is the case.

It's been ruled legal by the NCAA there and at other expensive private schools. Northwestern and Stanford also use a similar situation. Harvard doesn't give out athletic scholarships, but somehow virtually every athlete there ends up on a full ride.

Their "need-based" scholarships cover the difference between any other scholarship money they may receive (including athletic scholarships) and the cost of tuition.

As long as the standards for the aid are the same as they are for non-athletes in terms of family financial situation, grades, etc., then the NCAA has ruled that it's perfectly legal.

[BruinVol]

Originally Posted by DeerPark12

As long as the standards for the aid are the same as they are for non-athletes in terms of family financial situation, grades, etc., then the NCAA has ruled that it's perfectly legal.

Agreed but I don't think that's the case. Otherwise every middle class kid in the country could afford Vandy.

[DeerPark12]

Originally Posted by BruinVol

Agreed but I don't think that's the case. Otherwise every middle class kid in the country could afford Vandy.

True, but one of the requirements is being admitted to the University, which not every middle-class kid in the country is. That's how they, Harvard, Stanford and others get away with it. They make admission a condition.

[BruinVol]

Originally Posted by DeerPark12

True, but one of the requirements is being admitted to the University, which not every middle-class kid in the country is. That's how they, Harvard, Stanford and others get away with it. They make admission a condition.

Deer I would live to hear what the DS staff thinks of what is going on with this. I am hearing of kids going there and paying less than 10percent and not getting any baseball money. They also are very average students in middle income families. If this is correct Vandy truly is the most underachieving(and cheating because a regular middle class student with average grades isnt getting 45k of financial aid per year) program in the country!

[DeerPark12]

Originally Posted by BruinVol

Deer I would live to hear what the DS staff thinks of what is going on with this. I am hearing of kids going there and paying less than 10percent and not getting any baseball money. They also are very average students in middle income families. If this is correct Vandy truly is the most underachieving(and cheating because a regular middle class student with average grades isnt getting 45k of financial aid per year) program in the country!

I agree with you, but they're not the only ones that do it. Wake Forest does it, as I mentioned Harvard does it in every sport.

Baylor has built a softball powerhouse on need-based supplemental scholarships. Duke has done the same in men's and women's soccer and lacrosse. I know a track athlete from a wealthy family that went to Stanford with a 3.2 high school GPA and ended up not paying a dime because of need and merit-based scholarships on top of her 22% track scholarship.

Private schools found a loophole, and nearly every one in the NCAA is exploiting it.

[BruinVol]

Originally Posted by DeerPark12

I agree with you, but they're not the only ones that do it. Wake Forest does it, as I mentioned Harvard does it in every sport.

Baylor has built a softball powerhouse on need-based supplemental scholarships. Duke has done the same in men's and women's soccer and lacrosse. I know a track athlete from a wealthy family that went to Stanford with a 3.2 high school GPA and ended up not paying a dime because of need and merit-based scholarships on top of her 22% track scholarship.

Private schools found a loophole, and nearly every one in the NCAA is exploiting it.

It's a loophole without checks and balances apparently. The NCAA rule on need based money is pretty simple that it must be open and equal for all students. These schools should have to open up their books just like the rest of the schools have to with athletic scholarships.

[ThatGuy865]

Middle class non athletes that get accepted are in the same boat. They don't pay much at all. It's obviously been approved by the NCAA if it has gone on this long.