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Will be a significant upgrade over Raleigh.

Did Hamilton learn from his mistake in hiring Raleigh?

NO....

If you know about baseball please let everyone else who reads the thread know the answer to these questions...

1. How many scholarships does a baseball team have?

2. How many players does a baseball team have?

3. How many scholarships had Tennessee lost when Raleigh was hired?

I am not a Raleigh fan, but Hamilton when he made the last hire had to do so under a sledgehammer that Delmonico brought to the school by ignoring APR. Talent leaving in the draft was understandable, but Hamilton flipped when after repeated warnings Delmonico continued to have drunk partiers who failed out.


Think about when Dooley was hired, it did not give Tennessee's football program the best chance to hire the top name they would want.

Basketball the hire was made under the cloud of this NCAA investigation and with a VERY popular coach who was just run out of town to a disgruntled fan base who will always compare you to him (and he took the program to unseen heights).

Baseball? The worst circumstances of all...It would be like trying to find a basketball coach for a team that had 8 scholarships. That is also why Raleigh was given another year last year even though his suicide comment reached the ears of lots of folks.

TN baseball is about to recover from the ash heap, but Rod Delmonico gathered the kindling and the gasoline and lit the match, Raleigh just made smores.
 
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Is it true that baseball players don't get a 100% scholarship but maybe 25% or 50% scholarship?????
 
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Rudy123 said:
Is it true that baseball players don't get a 100% scholarship but maybe 25% or 50% scholarship?????
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Yea. The top players can get a full a scholly, but most get partial. Teams only have like 12.7 scholarships to give to 27 players.

That's why getting instate talent is so important. If the guys get academic scholarships and lottery scholarships, teams don't have to spend a lot of money on the top in state guys. Then they can go nationally for the top arms and give them full scholarships.
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knoxville's finest said:
I think Kentral Davis got 100% but most players about half.
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Actually they have to give at least 25% for it to be an official athletic scholarship. No one gets 100% in fact most get 25-40% with the Hope and other academic/financial aid money covering the rest. TN has 12 scholarships IIRC!
 
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NCAA Scholarship Limits

It was 11.7

Many of the people were not aware of the reduction in scholarships Delmonico caused TN, and many more did not seem to be aware that losing 2 scholarships in baseball is like losing 8-12 in football.
 
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Raleigh can't blame the reduction in scholarships for the pathetic offensive output, poor pitching, and lack of any positional depth.

What he is worst at is developing talent. Firing Fred Corral (because CTR knew better than Fred) was the last straw for this alum.
 
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The reduction in scholarships is not even remotely close to the worst thing about the baseball program.
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Will be a significant upgrade over Raleigh.

Did Hamilton learn from his mistake in hiring Raleigh?

NO....

If you know about baseball please let everyone else who reads the thread know the answer to these questions...

1. How many scholarships does a baseball team have?

2. How many players does a baseball team have?

3. How many scholarships had Tennessee lost when Raleigh was hired?

I am not a Raleigh fan, but Hamilton when he made the last hire had to do so under a sledgehammer that Delmonico brought to the school by ignoring APR. Talent leaving in the draft was understandable, but Hamilton flipped when after repeated warnings Delmonico continued to have drunk partiers who failed out.


Think about when Dooley was hired, it did not give Tennessee's football program the best chance to hire the top name they would want.

Basketball the hire was made under the cloud of this NCAA investigation and with a VERY popular coach who was just run out of town to a disgruntled fan base who will always compare you to him (and he took the program to unseen heights).

Baseball? The worst circumstances of all...It would be like trying to find a basketball coach for a team that had 8 scholarships. That is also why Raleigh was given another year last year even though his suicide comment reached the ears of lots of folks.

TN baseball is about to recover from the ash heap, but Rod Delmonico gathered the kindling and the gasoline and lit the match, Raleigh just made smores.
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Is all that a way of saying that conditions are right to pay big bucks for a proven winner with a serious resume?
 
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vol66 said:
Is all that a way of saying that conditions are right to pay big bucks for a proven winner with a serious resume?
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It's Mike Hamilton, so no. More that any coach would be better than Todd Raleigh. At least that's what I got from it.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Will be a significant upgrade over Raleigh.

Did Hamilton learn from his mistake in hiring Raleigh?

NO....

If you know about baseball please let everyone else who reads the thread know the answer to these questions...

1. How many scholarships does a baseball team have?

2. How many players does a baseball team have?

3. How many scholarships had Tennessee lost when Raleigh was hired?

I am not a Raleigh fan, but Hamilton when he made the last hire had to do so under a sledgehammer that Delmonico brought to the school by ignoring APR. Talent leaving in the draft was understandable, but Hamilton flipped when after repeated warnings Delmonico continued to have drunk partiers who failed out.


Think about when Dooley was hired, it did not give Tennessee's football program the best chance to hire the top name they would want.

Basketball the hire was made under the cloud of this NCAA investigation and with a VERY popular coach who was just run out of town to a disgruntled fan base who will always compare you to him (and he took the program to unseen heights).

Baseball? The worst circumstances of all...It would be like trying to find a basketball coach for a team that had 8 scholarships. That is also why Raleigh was given another year last year even though his suicide comment reached the ears of lots of folks.

TN baseball is about to recover from the ash heap, but Rod Delmonico gathered the kindling and the gasoline and lit the match, Raleigh just made smores.
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I'd rather have a team full of "drunk partiers" and a coach who has a few less scholarships that wins than this sorry a** team and Raleigh. We've fallen from having a chance to go to the CWS every year to being the laughing stock of college baseball. Yes, not just the SEC, but ALL of college baseball. Delmonico is in another league than Raleigh, and it's not even close. Our current situation in baseball is only one person's fault, and that is Todd Raleigh. Delmonico may have been a lot of things, but he was also a winner. Raleigh couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
 
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Delusional...

With the scholarship reduction he created, Delmonico could not win.

He also made it so we could not hire anyone good.

I would guess Hamilton will put up around 400-450k and we will get someone very respectable as our HC in baseball. They will also have a strong budget to get a stud AC recruiter. That is something that Hamilton pioneered in CFB with Kiffin and crew.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Delusional...

With the scholarship reduction he created, Delmonico could not win.

He also made it so we could not hire anyone good.

I would guess Hamilton will put up around 400-450k and we will get someone very respectable as our HC in baseball. They will also have a strong budget to get a stud AC recruiter. That is something that Hamilton pioneered in CFB with Kiffin and crew.
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You are insane. Made it so we couldn't hire anyone good? No coach is going to say no because of a few lost schollys.. especially with the talent those kids had. Hamilton hired Raleigh because he was CHEAP, and he didn't check into him at all. We all see how that turned out huh? Talk about delusional..
 
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Here's something else to consider. The smaller and mid major schools due to smaller budgets do not have a full complement of scholarships (consider WCU and ETSU)

Yet Tennessee lost consistently to those teams as well.
 
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alti,
I would say respectfully, but you deserve no respect.

Baseball has 12 scholarships. Losing two represents roughly 16% of scholarships...

Tell me, if a football team lost 13 scholarships, do you think that would impact who wanted to come coach them?
 
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fryeguy93 said:
Here's something else to consider. The smaller and mid major schools due to smaller budgets do not have a full complement of scholarships (consider WCU and ETSU)

Yet Tennessee lost consistently to those teams as well.
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ETSU and Walters State have great athletes playing for them who TN could never bring in academically.
 
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Dave Serrano-Cal State Fullerton
Currently 17-4(conf) 37-14(overall)
As HC at CSF 134-56
As HC at UC Irvine 114-66-1
Dave Serrano has been a top recruiter. Consistent winner, at CSF 40+ wins in each season. Has been to the CWS once at CSF and at UC Irvine. Spent two seasons as pitching coach at UT under Delmonico. Current salary $150,000


Dan McDonnell - Louisville HC
185-77 (4 seasons) as HC @ Louisville
Has been to one CWS, 2 NCAA regional and 1 super regional. He spent 6 years at Ole Miss as an assistant. 2010 he won 50 games. He lost 6 players to the draft so 2011 has been subpar. current salary $140,000

Tim Esmay-Arizona State University
Currently 14-7 (conf) 36-13 (overall)
2010 record 20-7 (conf) 47-8 (overall)
Esmay was interim coach in 2010 at ASU,after several seasons as an assistant. In 8 seasons as HC at Utah he was 213-235-1. In his first season at Utah he won the WAC. The next 7 season the best finish was second.
current salary: $ 175,000

Some others:

Bobby Pierce-Troy - 817-390 (overall ) Bama graduate
Gary Gilmore-Coastal Carolina 609-303 (overall)
Brian Shoop- UAB - 802-425-1 (overall)
Tim Corbin-Vandy (why leave Vandy?)
Pat Shine- UC Irvine Associate HC, heir apparent to Mike Gillespie (if you want to take a risk, this would be a good candidate)

Kevin McMullan - Associate HC at UVA. 2009 Asst. of the Year. Recruiting coordinator, hitting coach and works with infielders and catchers. Top ranked team at 45-6 with .309 BA and .981 fielding pct.

Karl Kuhn - Asst. Coach UVA - Pitching Coach

Chris Burke - Former Vol and MLB player - No coaching exp.

Mike Bell - Oklahoma University - Pitching Coach - Was a Vol Asst. from 2005 to 2007, helped recruit back to back top 15 classes.


Any other candidates?
 
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altidore17 said:
I'd rather have a team full of "drunk partiers" and a coach who has a few less scholarships that wins than this sorry a** team and Raleigh. We've fallen from having a chance to go to the CWS every year to being the laughing stock of college baseball. Yes, not just the SEC, but ALL of college baseball. Delmonico is in another league than Raleigh, and it's not even close. Our current situation in baseball is only one person's fault, and that is Todd Raleigh. Delmonico may have been a lot of things, but he was also a winner. Raleigh couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
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:rock::good!::salute::clap:
 
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vol66 said:
Dave Serrano-Cal State Fullerton
Currently 17-4(conf) 37-14(overall)
As HC at CSF 134-56
As HC at UC Irvine 114-66-1
Dave Serrano has been a top recruiter. Consistent winner, at CSF 40+ wins in each season. Has been to the CWS once at CSF and at UC Irvine. Spent two seasons as pitching coach at UT under Delmonico. Current salary $150,000


Dan McDonnell - Louisville HC
185-77 (4 seasons) as HC @ Louisville
Has been to one CWS, 2 NCAA regional and 1 super regional. He spent 6 years at Ole Miss as an assistant. 2010 he won 50 games. He lost 6 players to the draft so 2011 has been subpar. current salary $140,000

Tim Esmay-Arizona State University
Currently 14-7 (conf) 36-13 (overall)
2010 record 20-7 (conf) 47-8 (overall)
Esmay was interim coach in 2010 at ASU,after several seasons as an assistant. In 8 seasons as HC at Utah he was 213-235-1. In his first season at Utah he won the WAC. The next 7 season the best finish was second.
current salary: $ 175,000

Some others:

Bobby Pierce-Troy - 817-390 (overall ) Bama graduate
Gary Gilmore-Coastal Carolina 609-303 (overall)
Brian Shoop- UAB - 802-425-1 (overall)
Tim Corbin-Vandy (why leave Vandy?)
Pat Shine- UC Irvine Associate HC, heir apparent to Mike Gillespie (if you want to take a risk, this would be a good candidate)


Any other candidates?
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Thanks! This was great.

I had two other suggestions:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-baseball/128202-todd-raleigh-you-fired.html

My only concern about some of the people from the West Coast who have been very successful is whether or not they could recruit great players to Tennessee.
 
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there is no defense for what raleigh has accomplished at tennessee.

absolutely, none.

nice try.

by the way, anything would be an upgrade over raleigh. tennessee has hit rock bottom
 
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99gator said:
there is no defense for what raleigh has accomplished at tennessee.

absolutely, none.

nice try.

by the way, anything would be an upgrade over raleigh. tennessee has hit rock bottom
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Thanks for the input, I was unaware.:)
 
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