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04-24-2008, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by thagodfather the pat summit dodging competition comment is absolutely the dumbest comment that i have ever read on this board. | Consider the source |
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04-24-2008, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by thagodfather the pat summit dodging competition comment is absolutely the dumbest comment that i have ever read on this board. | There are only 2-3 other teams each year that have a legitimate chance of winning the women's national championship, and UCONN is one of them. And instead of settling your differences on the court, Pat chooses to not play one of the few games in women's basketball that even has a chance at attracting casual fans to watch it.
There are many instances where athletes competed against teams/individuals that rn counter to their ethics or were just disagreeable with the opponent on issues outside of sports. Instead of following the lead of these other competitors, Pat chose to run from the only other team that has consistently been their peer for a better part of a decade now. |
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04-24-2008, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol There are many instances where athletes competed against teams/individuals that rn counter to their ethics or were just disagreeable with the opponent on issues outside of sports. Instead of following the lead of these other competitors, Pat chose to run from the only other team that has consistently been their peer for a better part of a decade now. | That has to be the most melodramatic load of crap that I've ever read.  |
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04-24-2008, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GAVol That has to be the most melodramatic load of crap that I've ever read.  | No, Pat being sanctimonious and not continuing the UCONN series is melodramatic. I mean, what reason could there be to ever discontinue a game of such magnitude in that sport? Did he call her a lesbian behind her back? Did he insult her or her players in some way? Either way, you still need to settle that crap on the court and quit throwing around threats to anybody that doesn't kiss her a**. UCONN, then a threat to Duke... what next? If an SEC school does something she disagrees with, will she try to cancel a game in conference? |
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04-24-2008, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol No, Pat being sanctimonious and not continuing the UCONN series is melodramatic. I mean, what reason could there be to ever discontinue a game of such magnitude in that sport? Did he call her a lesbian behind her back? Did he insult her or her players in some way? Either way, you still need to settle that crap on the court and quit throwing around threats to anybody that doesn't kiss her a**. UCONN, then a threat to Duke... what next? If an SEC school does something she disagrees with, will she try to cancel a game in conference? | Why are you attempting to make a judgement when you have absolutely no idea what the reasons may be? Don't forget that Joan Cronan (sp?) had to sign off on it and she certainly isn't a PHS yes man (person?). |
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04-24-2008, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KentheOrange Why are you attempting to make a judgement when you have absolutely no idea what the reasons may be? Don't forget that Joan Cronan (sp?) had to sign off on it and she certainly isn't a PHS yes man (person?). | both basketball coaches have essentially 100% control over who they schedule. |
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04-24-2008, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by KentheOrange Why are you attempting to make a judgement when you have absolutely no idea what the reasons may be? Don't forget that Joan Cronan (sp?) had to sign off on it and she certainly isn't a PHS yes man (person?). | There can be no reason under the sun to justify cancelling that game... compared to other situations in sports history. |
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04-24-2008, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Brave Volunteer You will not find a bigger UT fan than I am. You will not find a bigger Lady Vols fan than I am. However I emphatically disagree with Pat's decision to end regular season play against UConn based on such a minor ncaa infraction.
Like others have said, this almost smells like Pat was just looking for a reason to end this series. Her personal feelings toward Geno are well publicized. However like others have said, it's a great disservice to the league and to b-ball fans everywhere to end the only real women's NCAA b-ball rivalry in existence. | I think Pat should publicly discuss the rationale for discontinuing the series for the basic reason that many people believe that it really is just over a free tour of ESPN studios for Maya Moore which would seem petty to the casual observer.....Pat Summitt and the Tennessee coaching staff have been unnerved by some of Connecticut's recruiting practices they perceive as unethical, if not illegal over the course of several years. It is not just one thing but a series of things over and it all began with the recruitment of Ann Strother from Colorado back in the summer of 2001....The relationship between the two schools had been relatively amicable before then (Auriemma's childish snipes aside). Geno was the Head Coach of the USA National team in the summer of '01 when both Tennessee and Connecticut were hot on the trail of Strother and raised alot of eyebrows by not only putting Strother on the team but gave her ample playing time (nevermind that she was just a 17 year old high school senior to be at the time and not talented enough 7 years later to be on our Olympic team). This was perceived as a transparent attempt on the part of Auriemma to gain an advantage in her recruitment and sure enough she did sign with UConn in November of '01...Now, it was not illegal for Auriemma to abuse his position this way but it does allow you into his mindset....Tennessee also believes that Connecticut's athletic department has assisted Maya Moore's mother in getting a job that she was unqualified for.... |
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04-25-2008, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol There can be no reason under the sun to justify cancelling that game... compared to other situations in sports history. | Oh get off her already. Everyone in the world knows that Pat dislikes Geno because he's an ass. She probably didn't want to put up with him any more during the season, so used the first excuse he gave her to ditch the series with them. As far as Duke is concerned, she's still playing them, and at the time her comment that she "would consider" canceling the series was presented as a move to simply draw attention to herself rather than have the news report on her players.
Tennessee avoiding UCONN till the tournament doesn't hurt women's basketball. It may have been a marquee game, but only because of the relationship between Geno and Pat not because of the basketball. Rutgers and LSU were just as a good a match-up as UCONN this year, but they drew less attention because those coaches don't sit around taking pot shots at our coach and team. I don't blame Pat in the least for telling him to take a hike. She isn't dodging competition, she's dodging the headache that Geno brings with his media whoring and smart remarks. She is teaching him a lesson. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. |
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04-25-2008, 08:16 AM
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| You guys hate Geno for the same reason that people hate Barry Bonds, Tony Stewart, Randy Moss, Bill Belicheck, Tim Tebow, etc. They're all great at what they do. So everytime they say something border line out of control everyone is jumping on them. I'm not sure about what's went on behind the scenes but can some of you people admit that Geno has a winning record against Pat and is a great coach?
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04-25-2008, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TreeGreen Oh get off her already. Everyone in the world knows that Pat dislikes Geno because he's an ass. She probably didn't want to put up with him any more during the season, so used the first excuse he gave her to ditch the series with them. | Those are your words... not mine. You called it exactly right... it was an excuse. And for what... because Geno is a a-hole? Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world. Instead of beating his brains out on the court, she chose to take her ball and go home. If anything, you would want to play the a-hole every chance you had just to prove a point. Could you imagine Bobby Knight, Steve Spurrier, or Bear Bryant backing down from a team just because the opposing coach is an a-hole? |
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04-25-2008, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol There can be no reason under the sun to justify cancelling that game... compared to other situations in sports history. | I don't claim to know the whole story by any means but see my earlier post and it may give you some insight to the situation. If you can't understand the reasoning behind dropping the games with UCONN then there is nothing that will change your stance. |
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04-25-2008, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan07 You guys hate Geno for the same reason that people hate Barry Bonds, Tony Stewart, Randy Moss, Bill Belicheck, Tim Tebow, etc. They're all great at what they do. So everytime they say something border line out of control everyone is jumping on them. I'm not sure about what's went on behind the scenes but can some of you people admit that Geno has a winning record against Pat and is a great coach? | He is a good coach, nobody can deny that. It is the way he runs his program and the shots he takes at athletes, coaching staff that Summit doesn't agree with. She has class, he doesn't. She runs a tight ship and Geno runs on the philosophy that the ends justify the means. What has come out in the media about Geno and his practices and tactics are just the tip of the iceberg. Pat has worked very hard to put womens basketball on the map, while going about it the right way. She has chosen not to validate Geno and his practices by canceling the series. |
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04-25-2008, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol Those are your words... not mine. You called it exactly right... it was an excuse. And for what... because Geno is a a-hole? Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world. Instead of beating his brains out on the court, she chose to take her ball and go home. If anything, you would want to play the a-hole every chance you had just to prove a point. Could you imagine Bobby Knight, Steve Spurrier, or Bear Bryant backing down from a team just because the opposing coach is an a-hole? | You do not get the point. It is not because he is an ass. She is THE standard all womens coaches are measured against. She does her job well while being classy and playing under the standards set forth. She has chosen not to validate someone who does not hold those same standards. |
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