GAMEDAY CENTRAL: #9 Tennessee vs. #2 Notre Dame

[1985Vols]

Originally Posted by TennFan

Just watched the Lady Vols get blasted by the Lady Irish 72-44. I know there are some hurt players on the Lady Vols and they aren't 100%. However, I'm not sure this is a Final 4 team. If the Lady Vols make the Elite 8 they'll do good. They didn't play good defense and did not make good shots at times. Do I have anyone that agrees with me that this years team is not Final 4 caliber?
Nothing will change how I feel about our Vols and will ALWAYS remain loyal NO MATTER WHAT!

No way this team gets to the Final 4. I don't see them advancing past the Sweet 16.

[therealitytheory]

Originally Posted by Slydell

I understand fully the concerns. If he removes Pat in any way before the end of this season, it will certainly test my allegiance as a fan. It was a horrible game tonight, no doubt. Failures at a lot of things. The season isn't over yet.

Hate to break it to you, ace, but Pat is already removed - sad and unfair as it is. Hart and UT have been very respectful of her and she will finish out the season as Head Coach. So nobody will be testing your precious allegiance. pfft

[Larry1949]

Originally Posted by Slydell

I understand fully the concerns. If he removes Pat in any way before the end of this season, it will certainly test my allegiance as a fan. It was a horrible game tonight, no doubt. Failures at a lot of things. The season isn't over yet.

If Pat was truly Pat she would put a stop to the farce this whole exercise has become. Her advisors are doing Pat and the Vols a terrible disservice. Phil got too comfortable and we let it drift to disaster. Pat is terribly ill and will not recover. We must not drift to disaster this time.

[joevol320]

if this is pat's last year, I hope and the admin go outside the current staff.

[Slydell]

Originally Posted by therealitytheory

Hate to break it to you, ace, but Pat is already removed - sad and unfair as it is. Hart and UT have been very respectful of her and she will finish out the season as Head Coach. So nobody will be testing your precious allegiance. pfft

Hate to break it to ya ace, but I may be in a better position to know a bit myself. I've been a fan a year or so myself. After the season, I'll understand. Not before. Hart has done nothing yet.

[Larry1949]

Originally Posted by Slydell

Hate to break it to ya ace, but I may be in a better position to know a bit myself. I've been a fan a year or so myself. After the season, I'll understand. Not before. Hart has done nothing yet.

That is my point, Hart has done nothing yet.
Exactly what will you understand after the season that is not clear now?

[Orange Maniac]

Nobody will do anything until the season is over. It's stupid to think otherwise but I think there will be a lot of discussion and meetings about the matter when the season is over. We may never hear about it, but I'll bet they take place.

[bucball2483]

Anyone who thinks Hart would ever get rid of Pat is delusional. The one and only way she ever leaves this program is on her own terms. Anyone thinking otherwise is crazy.

[Slydell]

Originally Posted by Larry1949

That is my point, Hart has done nothing yet.
Exactly what will you understand after the season that is not clear now?

If Pat leaves on her own. This program means more to Pat than anyone else. She has far greater invested in it than anyone. I would trust her to make the right decision when to step down. She may have already made that decision.

[Larry1949]

Originally Posted by Orange Maniac

Nobody will do anything until the season is over. It's stupid to think otherwise but I think there will be a lot of discussion and meetings about the matter when the season is over. We may never hear about it, but I'll bet they take place.

If the meetings and discussions wait till after the year is over.... All decision makers should be terminated. I'll bet Kodak leadership waited until it was convenient to discuss the challenge from digital technology....

[fall2hb86]

I not only watched this game tonight and thought (this is not a Pat Summit Lady Vol) team, but it has been like that all this year..As a matter of fact, we started our decline when this current senior class started as freshman after we won back to back championships..I got to watch them in person at KY and the product i used to see say 6 years ago, is long gone..I don't know how long Coach Summit has been sick, but i am sure it didn't start a little time before she made it public..

This senior class came into UT as one of Pat's best recruiting classes ever on paper, and they have shown that they were just small market stars, and not meant to play in a National Championship type program...With the little sprinkling of young talent, this group should have been a sure fire Final 4 team, and it will take a complete 360 and a miracle for them to achieve that goal..It is really sad to see a Lady Vol team play so horribly and know there is nothing that can be done..It is no way Pat is the same lady, that made these Seniors practice right after coming back from losing in the tournament their freshman year..I am not in Knoxville, so i don't know..Pat might be coaching in practice but she has nothing to do with the games, and it is sad...It is now way my girl would have let this time play the way they did tonight..When Pat was well, i hope she made it known who she wanted to take over after retirement, and i hope like hell, that that person does not exist on this current staff...

[fall2hb86]

Originally Posted by bucball2483

Anyone who thinks Hart would ever get rid of Pat is delusional. The one and only way she ever leaves this program is on her own terms. Anyone thinking otherwise is crazy.

Pat not only built this program, but really is the reason that female basketball is even a subject..PAT LEAVES WHEN SHE WANTS TO, NO MATTER WHAT...

[Larry1949]

Originally Posted by Slydell

If Pat leaves on her own. This program means more to Pat than anyone else. She has far greater invested in it than anyone. I would trust her to make the right decision when to step down. She may have already made that decision.

I would trust the Pat we know and respect, not the person sitting on the bench in 2012. My father in law has dementia. As I remind my wife constantly, that is not the father you grew up with, that is an 84 yr old man man who reasons poorly, is frequently disinterested and loses focus. That is not the intense, focused coaching icon we came to depend on. That is a lady fighting to retain some semblance of dignity as the twilight approaches.

No one is bigger than the program, no one.

[95 Vol Alum]

Originally Posted by Larry1949

That is why he is making the big bucks, to make decisions. Not to put his finger in the wind looking for the prevailing direction.

Harsh as it may sound, he is responsible for the future of Vol athletics, not overseeing the final chapter of Pat's legend.

I believe that the current Lady Vols are overated from a talent level standpoint but, the coaching structure does not help at all.

He's responsible for both. There's nothing wrong with being patient this season for Pat and her extended family and let change come in the offseason.

[Orange Maniac]

Originally Posted by Larry1949

If the meetings and discussions wait till after the year is over.... All decision makers should be terminated. I'll bet Kodak leadership waited until it was convenient to discuss the challenge from digital technology....

They will wait. Pat has earned that and more. They are not going to do anything until they see how this plays out.