UFC and Kimbo!

[wylievol]

watched the main event tonight and thought kimbo did decent. definitely needs work on his ground game, but his punches are nothing but major force. great story on how his life has evolved and what he has gone through. wouldn't put my money on him right now, but give him six months and ill put all my money on him. what do you guys think of him? good or bad for elite/ufc?

[Vol Mania 21]

he's not in the ufc. he is in elite. he has a long way to go. great stand up, but he got worn down by a guy who would get drilled in the ufc.

[wylievol]

yea thats the name of it. lol i couldnt remember the name so i just put ufc. this is def. the new sport. havent heard a word about boxing since this stuff came back about.

[mattvols]

Kimbo was definitely only decent. He has to work a ton of his ground game before he'll be even a decent UFC guy. The fights were all fairy good after the first couple. I thought the one where the guys eye was poked was called way too early. It was nasty when the big white guys ear got popped. It was definitely an enjoyable night of fighting though I still prefer UFC.

[hmanvolfan]

Originally Posted by wylievol

yea thats the name of it. lol i couldnt remember the name so i just put ufc. this is def. the new sport. havent heard a word about boxing since this stuff came back about.

Boxing is in a downturn, that's why this WWE type of crap is on prime time. I saw that because I was at a friends house and he wanted to watch it instead of the Stanley Cup Finals. I've heard (from my friend) that the UFC is much better and they don't do all the silly WWE intros before the fights. The Kimbo Slice dude didn't impress me any. He's just ugly and that's about it. That British guy that almost put him away didn't have any martial arts background. From what I understand, another fighter with said background would've polished him off.

[Crew]

EliteXC is a bit cheesy for my taste, but I was entertained. Kimbo is all hype....He has a great story and all; but he's 34 and obviously past his prime age for this kind of sport. Hopefully Elite will follow the circus out of town. The best that can come of this is that in their Absence UFC can strike a better, lucrative deal in the future.

[TheDeeble]

That whole fight was more of a laugh than anything else. Yea, he's a tough guy that punches real hard. I hope this was a reality check for all his his fans claiming he'd dominate UFC. Completely winded and wasted less than halfway through the fight. Lucky for him Thompson was out of shape and his punches hit like a pillow. Would stand no chance against anyone with a background in bjj.

He looked awful against Thompson who actually lost to Butterbean in an mma fight.



As far as Elite XC, I went to one of their fights that aired on Showtime in Southhaven MS a couple years ago. It wasn't bad at all(not UFC quality, but still good). Much better than what was aired on tv last night. They'll do themselves a huge favor in the long run by trying to find and market good talent instead of names like Kimbo.

And I to thought the "eyepoke" was called early. But they said that Scott Smith told the doc that he couldn't see out of that eye not once, but twice. If true, I'd expect that call to be made.

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by hmanvolfan

Boxing is in a downturn, that's why this WWE type of crap is on prime time.

This crap is on prime time because boxing is a boring hugfest.

I enjoy MMA, but this Elite XC is gimmicky and amateur.

[JTrainDavis]

Originally Posted by The Dude

This crap is on prime time because boxing is a boring hugfest.

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You realize there are other weight classes than heavies, right? Check out guys like Israel Vasquez, the Marquez brothers, Kelly Pavlik, Amir Khan, Pacquaio, Cotto, Margarito, Calzaghe, there is lots of good boxing available, though lots of it can only be viewed online. I think having proven fighters on network TV somewhat regularly will bring boxing back into the spotlight.

Bob Arum, a big time promoter, has made several statements to that effect recently, i can see it happening before the year is out.

[Dawson]

Elite MMA is terrible. Kimbo is not even a decent fighter. He is a newer version of Tank Abbott. Hits hard, great chin.
To show you the difference. Brock Lesner, former wrestling AA and National Champion took 2 years to learn boxing and BJJ. In his second fight, he was matched us with Frank Mir who has never been the same since his motorcycle wreck. Frank Mir was much smaller and nowhere NEAR as strong. Mir submitted him in the first round.

[d4ster3]

Kimbo and his "posse" almost got into a brawl after the fight... imagine that

More questions than answers from Kimbo's win - MMA - Yahoo! Sports

[Vol Mania 21]

i'm not a small guy and i sure as heck don't wanna mess w/ kimbo in the streets

[d4ster3]

Kimbo says he'll never tap because submitting's not in his repertoire ... I cant wait to see him fight someone like Mir

[Vol Mania 21]

to be honest i thought he tapped at one point last nite.

[Jaytrain5]

Originally Posted by Dawson

Elite MMA is terrible. Kimbo is not even a decent fighter. He is a newer version of Tank Abbott. Hits hard, great chin.
To show you the difference. Brock Lesner, former wrestling AA and National Champion took 2 years to learn boxing and BJJ. In his second fight, he was matched us with Frank Mir who has never been the same since his motorcycle wreck. Frank Mir was much smaller and nowhere NEAR as strong. Mir submitted him in the first round.

Kimbo's all hype.

Brock Lesnar will be a force in mixed martial arts. Frank Mir exposed Brock's inexperience, but he incurred a ton of punishment in the process.

Lesnar doesn't have the presence of mind that veteran fighters like Mir have...but experience is something that can be acquired. Lesnar was a bit out of control in that fight - but he showed that he has the kind of awesome power and physicality that can make him a contender with the heavies.