Reason #1,000,000 to hate Bud Selig.... - Page 2

cd12 · 04-04-2007, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tidwell

How's that working out for the Brewers?

Watch out! Ned Yost is going to be a great manager! Maybe sooner than later. Division is weak and they could take it this year!

**hatvol96** · 04-04-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Business

I really don't think comparing the Presidency of the United States and presiding over a game is fair to W.

Your concept of fairness isn't one of my major concerns in life.

**OrangeEmpire** · 04-04-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hatvol96

I didn't say I liked him. However, the fact is that his tenure as commisssioner has been a smashing financial success.

I thought trader Bud said only two teams we operating within budget?

There is no way I can argue against the financial success of baseball, the owners love trader Bud, but he turned baseball into my second favorite sport.

I greatly dislike the man!

Business · 04-05-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hatvol96

Your concept of fairness isn't one of my major concerns in life.

Well thats great. How about you definition of good? The question you avoided.

You say Bud Selig is a sucess because the baseball financials are booming. There is a big sterioids brew ha that will stick to his legacy as a commish.

on the other hand....

G.W. Bush, is in charge while the stock market and financials are very good. Yet Iraq will stick to him.

All I'm saying is..............If you are going to compare them compare them with consistant terms. Don't pick and choose where you are going to compare them.

**hatvol96** · 04-05-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Business

Well thats great. How about you definition of good? The question you avoided.

You say Bud Selig is a sucess because the baseball financials are booming. There is a big sterioids brew ha that will stick to his legacy as a commish.

on the other hand....

G.W. Bush, is in charge while the stock market and financials are very good. Yet Iraq will stick to him.

All I'm saying is..............If you are going to compare them compare them with consistant terms. Don't pick and choose where you are going to compare them.

Growth in the stock market under Bush is nowhere near as great as growth in the stock market under Clinton. Baseball's growth under Selig dwarfs the game's growth under Fay Vincent.

**hatvol96** · 04-05-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Business

Well thats great. How about you definition of good? The question you avoided.

You say Bud Selig is a sucess because the baseball financials are booming. There is a big sterioids brew ha that will stick to his legacy as a commish.

on the other hand....

G.W. Bush, is in charge while the stock market and financials are very good. Yet Iraq will stick to him.

All I'm saying is..............If you are going to compare them compare them with consistant terms. Don't pick and choose where you are going to compare them.

The first and most important job of a President is that of Commander In Chief. The Commissioner's primary job is to oversee the financial health of the game. Bush has failed on an epic scale at his major task. Selig has been overwhelmingly successful.

**milohimself** · 04-05-2007, 01:21 AM

Hat, how do you feel about the long term financial success of the MLB from this moment forward?

**hatvol96** · 04-05-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Business

Well thats great. How about you definition of good? The question you avoided.

You say Bud Selig is a sucess because the baseball financials are booming. There is a big sterioids brew ha that will stick to his legacy as a commish.

on the other hand....

G.W. Bush, is in charge while the stock market and financials are very good. Yet Iraq will stick to him.

All I'm saying is..............If you are going to compare them compare them with consistant terms. Don't pick and choose where you are going to compare them.

Also, anyone who thinks steroids first came into baseball during Selig's time as commissioner is so removed from reality that it's almost humorous.

**hatvol96** · 04-05-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by milohimself

Hat, how do you feel about the long term financial success of the MLB from this moment forward?

The game continues to grow every year. People have been predicting this demographic gloom and doom about baseball not having enough young fans for the better part of two decades now. The attendance and merchandising numbers don't back up the sky is falling crowd's assertions. With the influx of Japanese players, MLB is going to be able to tap a new revenue stream in an affluent market. There is absolutely no reason to expect any fall off in baseball's prosperity.

Business · 04-05-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hatvol96

The first and most important job of a President is that of Commander In Chief. The Commissioner's primary job is to oversee the financial health of the game. Bush has failed on an epic scale at his major task. Selig has been overwhelmingly successful.

You never defined that. Now I understand what your saying.

Anyway, Fay Vincent was a commish for what 3 years. Things can get done in that time but nothing great. Didn't Selig pull a Ceasar on Vincent, in being vocal against him?

Business · 04-05-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by hatvol96

Also, anyone who thinks steroids first came into baseball during Selig's time as commissioner is so removed from reality that it's almost humorous.

How many times have you heard Fay Vincent and steroids? Steroids will be the thing that sticks to Selig when the man is dead and gone.

**milohimself** · 04-05-2007, 01:38 AM

I do agree with the part about the Japanese. They have proven to be able to produce every bit as much talent as white and latino communities in the western hemisphere. Not to mention baseball is to Japan as the NFL is to the US.

There a few things to be said about that young demographic now, though... I know that at least on the west coast, the only big baseball fans seem to be the pocket hardcores, and those in Latino communities. Despite this, the premier events and such seem to be broadcasted at an unreasonably late hour for the east coast and central US, where the baseball following seems to be far larger than it is out west.

There's also a few things like the DirecTV deal, etc.

**hatvol96** · 04-05-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Business

How many times have you heard Fay Vincent and steroids? Steroids will be the thing that sticks to Selig when the man is dead and gone.

The average fan could care less about steroids. Anyone who looked at guys like Canseco and McGwire and didn't know something was up is completely clue free. Everyone knew what was going on, nobody cared.

**milohimself** · 04-05-2007, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hatvol96

Also, anyone who thinks steroids first came into baseball during Selig's time as commissioner is so removed from reality that it's almost humorous.

True. Steroids have been part of the fabric of MLB since they were invented, and amphetamines go back even further than that. However, Bud Selig will at least be remembered as the guy who was in charge at the time people actually started caring that players have been drugging. I don't say it's his fault, that's just the way it is.

Business · 04-05-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hatvol96

The average fan could care less about steroids. Anyone who looked at guys like Canseco and McGwire and didn't know something was up is completely clue free. Everyone knew what was going on, nobody cared.

True. I knew something was up when Brady Anderson dropped 50 bombs. He was on roids, also Javy Lopez got on them in his free agent (43 HR, 100+ RBI) season. There is no doubt in my mind.