Lance Armstrong. The Cheat.

[Toujours Pret]

Originally Posted by Johnny_Majors

i've wondered if one of the reasons he developed cancer so young, was partially due to the performance ehancing substances he had been taking.

I think ball cancer generally affects younger men, but could be wrong.

[Vercingetorix]

Originally Posted by Toujours Pret

I think ball cancer generally affects younger men, but could be wrong.

Yep. Vast majority of cases are men in their 20s.

[Velo Vol]

Originally Posted by bigdaddy

It's bike riding, not a real sport.

Correct, though you probably couldn't hang for 3 miles in a 100-mile stage.

[VolsSportsFan]

If he hadn't been denying it for years, his camp trashing anyone who dared questioned him, and now admitting it on Oprah after he has little choice but to admit it, maybe I'd feel bad for him.

[Velo Vol]

Who amongst us hasn't been sorry to have gotten caught?

[ToineMac]

Originally Posted by Velo Vol

Who amongst us hasn't been sorry to have gotten caught?

Exactly. He got caught and now will pretend to be contrite. Frankly I couldn't care less.

[Vercingetorix]

Originally Posted by VolsSportsFan

If he hadn't been denying it for years, his camp trashing anyone who dared questioned him, and now admitting it on Oprah after he has little choice but to admit it, maybe I'd feel bad for him.

Greg LeMond used to have his own brand of bicycles. He questioned Armstrong. The sponsors destroyed LeMond's brand. It isn't just Armstrong's doping, it's the big train of carnage Armstrong left in his wake while denying the doping.

[ToineMac]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

Greg LeMond used to have his own brand of bicycles. He questioned Armstrong. The sponsors destroyed LeMond's brand. It isn't just Armstrong's doping, it's the big train of carnage Armstrong left in his wake while denying the doping.

Damn. Didn't realize this was happening. Now I'm starting to not like Armstrong.

[doozer]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

"Everyone was doing it," you shrug, minimizing what Armstrong was doing. But it was Armstrong himself who turned cycling into a sport where doping was universal and practically institutionalized. You don't get the disconnect there?



Armstrong was still competing in cycling races. How is compiling evidence against an active competitor a "witch hunt"?

No, I don't. Like I said, if they introduced the concept of cheating into the sport, then I would care. Since there were cheaters before him and after him, placing the whole mess that cycling became solely on him or his team is crazy.

I'm not denying the fact the guy was a grade A *******, because he absolutely was. In fact, that's the reason every body is out to get him and him alone, while completely ignoring the fact he was far from the only one cheating.

You don't have to like him. I don't either. But don't sit there and tell me everything is his fault.

[tri_vol]

Originally Posted by doozer

No, I don't. Like I said, if they introduced the concept of cheating into the sport, then I would care. Since there were cheaters before him and after him, placing the whole mess that cycling became solely on him or his team is crazy.

I'm not denying the fact the guy was a grade A *******, because he absolutely was. In fact, that's the reason every body is out to get him and him alone, while completely ignoring the fact he was far from the only one cheating.

You don't have to like him. I don't either. But don't sit there and tell me everything is his fault.

this. Blaming Lance is like blaming Bonds or McGuire for baseballs issues. Lance is many terrible things but he's not the cause for doping in cycling.

[Weezy]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

Greg LeMond used to have his own brand of bicycles. He questioned Armstrong. The sponsors destroyed LeMond's brand. It isn't just Armstrong's doping, it's the big train of carnage Armstrong left in his wake while denying the doping.

I think Wetzel put out a pretty good article on why you should dislike Armstrong for his bullying, not necessarily the cheating and lying.

Lance Armstrong's doping admission: Questions Oprah should have asked - Yahoo! Sports

[Toujours Pret]

Originally Posted by Weezy

I think Wetzel put out a pretty good article on why you should dislike Armstrong for his bullying, not necessarily the cheating and lying.

Lance Armstrong's doping admission: Questions Oprah should have asked - Yahoo! Sports

Good piece.

[VOLatile]

Originally Posted by doozer

There weren't any.

Don't be stupid, there were still plenty of riders that raced clean. Given a true, doper-free playing field they could have competed on the same levels and won the same races.

Women's cycling has taken a massive hit from the doping scandals on the men's side. That's not fair to the women, that sponsors drop out because they don't want to be associated with a sport that has a black mark. There is very little doping in the women's peloton compared to the men's.

[slh1089]

Despite his cheating lying and bullying, I'll take what he did for cancer awareness and research.

[Vegas_Ferguson]

Originally Posted by Weezy

I think Wetzel put out a pretty good article on why you should dislike Armstrong for his bullying, not necessarily the cheating and lying.

Lance Armstrong's doping admission: Questions Oprah should have asked - Yahoo! Sports

Strong piece and doubtful Oprah will ask any of these questions. Zero interest in cycling but watching the spectacular fall from grace by this sociopathic douche is hilarious.

A cheat, a fraud, a bully, and a liar who now seems ready to become a snitch. Way to rehab that rep Lancey!