UFC 148 - July 7th @ 10PM ET

[shelbyvillevol]

I'm with n_huff. I thought there should have been a stoppage. Whichever side you are on in the argument, both sides can agree that the knee was borderline whether it was legal or not.

The simple fact is if the ref stepped in the second Anderson threw the knee, I don't think hardly anyone would have argued the stoppage. Chael would have been given up to 5 minutes to compose himself. That's what should have happened, IMO.

[shelbyvillevol]

Pearl, I don't wanna discount GSP's greatness. He's obviously one of the best ever. But while he has been dominant, he can't finish fights. I've become increasingly frustrated with the way he has fought over his last few fights. There's no reason with his level of domination that he shouldn't have finished most every one of his opponents.

But, IMO, if Anderson stuffed Chael's takedown attempts (didn't in the 1st, but did in the 2nd) he should have no problem stuffing GSP's takedowns. He might be the strongest 170 pounder, but he's still not as strong as the top notch 185ers like Chael. Couple that with the fact that Anderson might be the best and most precise striker in the world, and you have a recipe for disaster.

[BearCat204]

Originally Posted by volinreallife

You just went to the top of my favorite homosexuals list.

no homo?

[volinreallife]

Originally Posted by BearCat204

no homo?

Straight gay.

[BearCat204]

Originally Posted by shelbyvillevol

I'm with n_huff. I thought there should have been a stoppage. Whichever side you are on in the argument, both sides can agree that the knee was borderline whether it was legal or not.

The simple fact is if the ref stepped in the second Anderson threw the knee, I don't think hardly anyone would have argued the stoppage. Chael would have been given up to 5 minutes to compose himself. That's what should have happened, IMO.

Well I just disagree with you guys, if it were stopped I think that would have been terrible especially since the hit was legal. Giving Chael an out because he got thumped in the chest but it was close to the face would have been a crime imo.

[n_huffhines]

BearCat, the other thing we haven't addressed (I didn't want to sidetrack the conversation) is that Silva had his hands through the cage for leverage/balance. That is indisputably illegal, so I'm thinking if they stop and stand them up they have 1 clear rule violation, and another gray area. If they had stood them up with 1.5 rule violations, nobody would have a reason to complain.....now if they had taken a point away from Silva for it, I'd probably say that was BS.

[BearCat204]

Originally Posted by n_huffhines

BearCat, the other thing we haven't addressed (I didn't want to sidetrack the conversation) is that Silva had his hands through the cage for leverage. That is indisputably illegal, so I'm thinking if they stop and stand them up they have 1 clear rule violation, and another gray area. If they had stood them up with 1.5 rule violations, nobody would have a reason to complain.....now if they had taken a point away from Silva for it, I'd probably say that was BS.

I agree, and I think he was warned a couple of times (not 100% sure about that), but fighters do it all the time.....kinduv like the 10 count punch in WWF lol. The thing we disagree on is this "gray area". I dont think its gray, the rules states that you cant "Strike" an opponent with the knee to the head while he is down. The knee strikes the chest and Lavigne had a perfect view of it. To stand up a fighter after a hit was really close to being illegal, but was clearly not illegal would be terrible imo, no matter how many warnings Silva got for using the cage.

[BearCat204]

whoahh....sorry, I misunderstood what you were talking about with the hands in the cage.....I thought you were talking about in the first round when Chael had Silva in GnP mode........not when he threw the knee strike. So you are saying that Silva used the cage to make the strike??????? I think that even more nonsense that saying that the strike was illegal. He didnt use to cage to get himself off the mat or to get out of a clinch against the cage, which is where you cant have yours hands in the cage. Silvas hand in the cage here is just his body's momentum carry itself into the cage with the strike to Chael's chest, he didnt use it for leverage for the strike. The rule is that you cannot hold the fence.....I dont see that he broke this rule......thats my opinion

[Blake25p]

At the end of the day the thigh to the face isn't what hurt Chael it was the knee to the chest that hurt him, and it's Chael's fault he was in that situation anyway so he has no one to blame but himself.

[BearCat204]

Originally Posted by Blake25p

At the end of the day the thigh to the face isn't what hurt Chael it was the knee to the chest that hurt him, and it's Chael's fault he was in that situation anyway so he has no one to blame but himself.

I still cant believe he went for the spinning backhand.............I have never seen him do that and miss so badly...thats what did him in, once he was on the ground and stunned from missing, it was over.

[shelbyvillevol]

Originally Posted by BearCat204

I still cant believe he went for the spinning backhand.............I have never seen him do that and miss so badly...thats what did him in, once he was on the ground and stunned from missing, it was over.

Truth.

[Blake25p]

Originally Posted by BearCat204

I still cant believe he went for the spinning backhand.............I have never seen him do that and miss so badly...thats what did him in, once he was on the ground and stunned from missing, it was over.

If he doesn't do that it's a totally different fight IMO

[BearCat204]

Originally Posted by Blake25p

If he doesn't do that it's a totally different fight IMO

Yeah, but I dont know if Chael could ever finish Silva on the ground. I know that he did a lot of work with a great submission coach for this fight, I just think it was a matter of time before Silva caught him. In the 1st round Chael was on him the entire round, but Silva only let him do what Silva allowed him to do and seem to be very comfortable and in control. The swing and miss did Chael in and would have changed the fight, but it was only a matter of time before Silva caught him..........Chael is just outclassed in the matchup. I dont know if there is a fighter who is even close to Silvas class outside of Jones and maybe GSP on his best day.

[Blake25p]

Originally Posted by BearCat204

Yeah, but I dont know if Chael could ever finish Silva on the ground. I know that he did a lot of work with a great submission coach for this fight, I just think it was a matter of time before Silva caught him. In the 1st round Chael was on him the entire round, but Silva only let him do what Silva allowed him to do and seem to be very comfortable and in control. The swing and miss did Chael in and would have changed the fight, but it was only a matter of time before Silva caught him..........Chael is just outclassed in the matchup. I dont know if there is a fighter who is even close to Silvas class outside of Jones and maybe GSP on his best day.

Yea you're probably right ,I just wanted to see what would've happened. Bisping said he wanted to fight Silva but we all know what will happen if they fight.

[BearCat204]

Originally Posted by Blake25p

Yea you're probably right ,I just wanted to see what would've happened. Bisping said he wanted to fight Silva but we all know what will happen if they fight.

Clearly Stann would be a great tune up fight for Bisping before he challeged Silva..................(sarcasm) I think Bisping would get molested by Silva