Euro 2012

[hohenfelsvol]

Originally Posted by Boogieman

I'll go with,

Portugal 2 - Czech Republic 2 (Portugal wins in shootout)
Germany 3 - Greece 0
Spain 2 - France 0
England 2 - Italy 1

England have found a way to screw it up for about half a century. Doubt they'll figure it out this time.

[milohimself]

Originally Posted by hohenfelsvol

England have found a way to screw it up for about half a century. Doubt they'll figure it out this time.

Maybe they do since the fans finally don't have sky high expectations of the team? Sort of a zen situation

[hohenfelsvol]

Originally Posted by milohimself

Maybe they do since the fans finally don't have sky high expectations of the team? Sort of a zen situation

Well they did create the game and have the best soccer league in the world.

[tvolsfan]

Originally Posted by hohenfelsvol

England have found a way to screw it up for about half a century. Doubt they'll figure it out this time.

How much is screwing up and how much is just a case of them not being that good? Especially recently.

[hohenfelsvol]

Originally Posted by tvolsfan

How much is screwing up and how much is just a case of them not being that good? Especially recently.

Guess it's both. If you continually screw up, you ain't that good. This year, the expectations were lower due to talent.

[tvolsfan]

The first England game I can remember watching was the 1998 game against Argentina. Maybe they had been underacheiving up to that point.

That said, from what I've seen from that time to the present, England isn't competing for titles because they aren't good enough.

[hohenfelsvol]

I agree. They're fans are just unrealistic. Sounds alot like VN.

[Godfatha]

Do you think the parody in the Premier League hurts the English national team?

The two best teams, Spain and Germany, are essentially Barcelona/Madrid and Bayern/Dortmund respectively. So those two teams play together quite a bit more. English players are so spread out not to mention the EPL seems to have a lot more foreign players than either La Liga or the Bundesliga, thereby potentially denying English players more PT.

[tvolsfan]

Originally Posted by Godfatha

Do you think the parody in the Premier League hurts the English national team?

The two best teams, Spain and Germany, are essentially Barcelona/Madrid and Bayern/Dortmund respectively. So those two teams play together quite a bit more. English players are so spread out not to mention the EPL seems to have a lot more foreign players than either La Liga or the Bundesliga, thereby potentially denying English players more PT.

To some extent, but there are other issues. People thinking England had a real shot at winning the World Cup in 2010 were misinformed or stupid.

[milohimself]

Originally Posted by hohenfelsvol

Guess it's both. If you continually screw up, you ain't that good. This year, the expectations were lower due to talent.

Like others said, I think their fans are finally coming to the realization that they just don't produce football talent like Spain and Germany do.

Originally Posted by Godfatha

Do you think the parody in the Premier League hurts the English national team?

The two best teams, Spain and Germany, are essentially Barcelona/Madrid and Bayern/Dortmund respectively. So those two teams play together quite a bit more. English players are so spread out not to mention the EPL seems to have a lot more foreign players than either La Liga or the Bundesliga, thereby potentially denying English players more PT.

I get what you're saying and there might be something to it but I don't think there is. Matching parts is quite different from matching up the whole, so if concentration of the national team on a handful of clubs plays a role, it's a small one. The guys for the English national team get plenty of time on the pitch in the premiership, which you might say is a leg up for them since they face significantly tougher competition week in and week out than do guys for Munich, barcelona, Madrid, etc.

[Godfatha]

Originally Posted by milohimself

Like others said, I think their fans are finally coming to the realization that they just don't produce football talent like Spain and Germany do.


I get what you're saying and there might be something to it but I don't think there is. Matching parts is quite different from matching up the whole, so if concentration of the national team on a handful of clubs plays a role, it's a small one. The guys for the English national team get plenty of time on the pitch in the premiership, which you might say is a leg up for them since they face significantly tougher competition week in and week out than do guys for Munich, barcelona, Madrid, etc.

I can see your point. I had a similar discussion with a friend about American players and MLS. Is it better for American soccer that our better players go abroad and develop their skills there or stay MLS and help develop it. Pretty easy conclusion, that it's better for us internationally to develop overseas against stronger competition. The MLS is on the right path and hopefully will continue to develop in time as revenues increase.

[hohenfelsvol]

I have blocked my afternoon tomorrow in my work calendar. Want to get out to watch Germany vs Greece.

[Stupified]

Portuguese national anthem is awesome. Ready for this one, Portugal 3-2.

[milohimself]

Definitely not the type of game we all expected so far

[Hayezb]

Originally Posted by milohimself

Definitely not the type of game we all expected so far

I know.

If this ends up in a tie I like the Czech in PKs just because they def have the advantage with goalies.

But... I see Ronaldo getting the game winner!