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Old 10-04-2011, 04:20 PM   #1651
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They retain enough to prevent effective cutting cycles. Along with that, just remember to stay very well hydrated.
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:24 PM   #1652
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Tried my C4 PWO today. I give it a 7/10. Gave me energy, a really good pump, but not much of the focus/euphoria I get from others. Flavor was orange, tasted good. It has creatine nitrate. Not familiar with it, but we'll see what happens. I'll give it a few more tries before I form an opinion.
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:43 PM   #1653
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Well I'm not looking to cut. It's no longer swimsuit season so I don't care so much.
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Old 10-04-2011, 05:06 PM   #1654
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Yeah, I just started, the "eat whatever the f I want" portion of my year. I get up to 215 or so in the winter, and summer time I'm back to 190. I'm going to try to train leaner this winter and see what happens. The classic bodybuilders trained leaner, and I think they looked better. Not sure the 2 are related, but I'm going to try it.
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T NATION | How to Build 50 Pounds of Muscle in 12 Months

Any of you meatheads ever tried Doggcapp training methods? I have been bored with lifting recently and have been doing more running. I need to try something new. Any ideas?
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Any of you meatheads ever tried Doggcapp training methods? I have been bored with lifting recently and have been doing more running. I need to try something new. Any ideas?
Never tried it, but I would say it's humanly impossible to gain 50 lbs of muscle in 12 months. It took Ronnie Coleman 4 years to add 28 lbs and he has the best genes and was juicing like a maniac.

You can add 50 lbs and look more muscular, but there's no way to do 50 lbs of muscle.
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After reading the routine, I've tried similar hypertrophy routines. I like them, but I like more detail. I really like Dorian Yates Blood and Guts regiment, which is kind of the best of both worlds. Hypertrophy/HIT principles with a little more detail work (which requires a 4 day split, not 3).
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Yates has very detailed, and brief workout videos. They are great resources:



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Never tried it, but I would say it's humanly impossible to gain 50 lbs of muscle in 12 months. It took Ronnie Coleman 4 years to add 28 lbs and he has the best genes and was juicing like a maniac.

You can add 50 lbs and look more muscular, but there's no way to do 50 lbs of muscle.
I think Billy C added an insane amount of weight over a relatively short period of time.
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I think Billy C added an insane amount of weight over a relatively short period of time.
Yeah, I agree that you can add 50 lbs, it's just not all muscle. I'm probably being too technical about it. When people say, "I want to add 20 lbs of muscle" they probably just mean "I want to add 20 lbs and look more muscular".
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Never tried it, but I would say it's humanly impossible to gain 50 lbs of muscle in 12 months. It took Ronnie Coleman 4 years to add 28 lbs and he has the best genes and was juicing like a maniac.

You can add 50 lbs and look more muscular, but there's no way to do 50 lbs of muscle.
Just posting the link for those who haven't heard of it. I don't want or need to add 50 pounds of muscle. I am interested in the training principles. I actually like the ideas of the widowmakers that DC does.
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Just posting the link for those who haven't heard of it. I don't want or need to add 50 pounds of muscle. I am interested in the training principles. I actually like the ideas of the widowmakers that DC does.
I've read up on it a lot. Has a big following and seems pretty proven. LLcooldave uses DC IIRC
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Agreed with baker, no way to add that kind of lean muscle without roids.
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Roids, a perfect diet, and pretty much resting the other 22-23 hours of the day.
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Building cycles aren't even supposed to last that long. No way could you sustain muscle growth like that for a whole year. Even dudes who juice need to take breaks.
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