WWII buffs

KB5252 said:

I've read stories about German and Russian troops caught in the blizzards while doing battle in Russia. Men would cut flesh right off of the horses pulling gear. The horses were so numb from the cold and frost bite they never felt the blade, they didn't bleed because the blood was semi congealed.

Men driven half crazy from the cold stripping off boots and clothing. If a man stopped moving in most cases they died. Many accounts of canibalism.

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Remember, you are talking about a total of 50 million losing their lives across the board on the Eastern front.

KB5252 said:

I've read stories about German and Russian troops caught in the blizzards while doing battle in Russia. Men would cut flesh right off of the horses pulling gear. The horses were so numb from the cold and frost bite they never felt the blade, they didn't bleed because the blood was semi congealed.

Men driven half crazy from the cold stripping off boots and clothing. If a man stopped moving in most cases they died. Many accounts of canibalism.

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One of the most easily overlooked, yet momentous short wars of the 20th century was the swift-moving clash between the post-World War I Polish Republic and Russia’s brand-new Bolshevik regime of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. Reaching a climax during the summer of 1920, the Russo-Polish War is often regarded as the final episode of the Russian Civil War. In fact, it was much more.

(Lenin wanted to capture Europe as far west as Paris with his international socialist movement.)

The roots of the war ran deep. For a century and a quarter, the once-formidable Polish nation was a political nonentity, having been dismembered by Prussia, Austria and Russia in the infamous partitions of 1772, 1793 and 1795. Three national insurrections had failed to dislodge the occupying powers; severe Germanization and Russification efforts, aimed at the destruction of the Polish language and culture, were imposed upon the population during the 19th century. Although such campaigns had little effect, by the turn of the century only the most optimistic Polish patriots could still dream of independence.

Yet World War I provided exactly the right set of circumstances for the Poles. On November 6, 1916, Austria-Hungary and Germany, in a desperate bid to ensure the loyalty of their Polish populations, jointly agreed to the formation of a semi-autonomous ‘Kingdom of Poland.’

On October 7, 1918, with the Central Powers clearly on the brink of defeat, the Regency Council in Warsaw declared Polish independence. After the guns of war fell silent on November 11, the three torn pieces of the Polish nation were triumphantly reunited.

The result was the treaty of Riga, signed on March 18, 1921, in the Latvian capital. Poland received a significant portion of her pre-partition frontiers, including the city of Lwow, and took possession of territories inhabited by about 12 million Lithuanians, White Russians and Ukrainians.

Something you won't ever read about in history books presented to American school children.


Little remembered in the West, the Battle of Warsaw was in fact one of the most significant land engagements of the 20th century. Strategically, it reversed an ideological onslaught that might otherwise have carried Soviet Communism into Western Europe in 1920 — and eventuality the consequences of which can only be imagined by posterity. Militarily, the sudden counterattack by which Pilsudski and his lieutenants split and routed the Bolshevik forces — themselves led by one of the enemy’s most brilliant generals — deserves a place among the tactical masterpieces of history.

Poland stopped on itself the full brunt of the Red Army and defeated an idea of the “export of the revolution.” Communist time table was slowed 24 years and countries of the Central Europe were spared from communist rule for a quarter of a century.

Unfortunately, political and military significance of this victory was never fully appreciated by Europeans.

Unfortunately also, less that twenty years later, the national socialists of Hitler and the communists of Stalin agreed to partition Poland.
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Today we celebrate Nov 11th, (my mothers birthday) as Veterans Day but fighting continued across the Russian Empire and also in parts of the Ottoman Empire.

On November 11, 1918, Armistice Day, the American Expeditionary Forces (AEF) on the Western Front in France suffered more than thirty-five hundred casualties, although it had been known unofficially for two days that the fighting would end that day and known with absolute certainty as of 5 o’clock that morning that it would end at 11 a.m.

Nearly a year afterward, on November 5, 1919, General John J. Pershing, commander of the AEF, found himself testifying on the efficiency of the war’s prosecution before the House of Representatives Committee on Military Affairs.

The encounter was amicable and respectful since members were dealing with the officer who had led America to victory in the Great War. However, a Republican committee member, Alvan T. Fuller of Massachusetts, deferentially posed a provocative query: ‘This question is somewhat irrelevant to the matter under discussion,’ Fuller began, ‘but I would like to ask General Pershing if American troops were ordered over the top on the other side on the morning of the day when under the terms of the Armistice firing was to cease…and that those troops who were not killed or wounded marched peacefully into Germany at 11 o’clock. Is that true?’

Pershing answered with his customary crisp confidence:

"When the subject of the armistice was under discussion we did not know what the purpose of it was definitely, whether it was something proposed by the German High Command to gain time or whether they were sincere in their desire to have an armistice; and the mere discussion of an armistice would not be sufficient grounds for any judicious commander to relax his military activities….No one could possibly know when the armistice was to be signed, or what hour be fixed for the cessation of hostilities so that the only thing for us to do, and which I did as commander in chief of the American forces, and which Marshal Foch did as commander in chief of the Allied armies was to continue the military activities…."

Just days later, however, the congressman forwarded to Pershing a letter from a constituent with a cover note saying, ‘I have been deluged with questions on this subject.’ The enclosed letter had been written to Fuller by George K. Livermore, former operations officer of the 167th Field Artillery Brigade of the black 92nd Division, stating that that force had been engaged since 5 a.m. on November 11 and had been ordered to launch its final charge at 10:30 a.m. Livermore lamented ‘the little crosses over the graves of the colored lads who died a useless death on that November morning.’ He further described the loss of U.S. Marines killed crossing the Meuse River in the final hours as ‘frightful.’ Congressman Fuller closed his letter to Pershing asking for ‘a real frank, full answer to the question as to whether American lives were needlessly wasted."

The Germans were completely deceived by Woodrow Wilson who they thought was a man of his word but found him to be a complete and total liar in every respect and his 14 point peace plan was no more than a contract for another war in disguise.

Henry Gunther as the last American killed in the war.

In Centennial Park in Nashville there is a plaque commemorating the first American killed in WWI (fighting under the American flag, others had already fought under the Canadian flag), it was donated by a class of Catholic school girls and reads something like this; Captain ???? led 250 men out of the trenches into machine gun, mortar and rifle fire and returned with five men, later in the day he was killed by an incoming artillery round.

Have you ever read of Pershing's prosecution of American WWI veterans in Washington DC??? The man should be dug up and hung from a street lamp/

While there is no debate that the conditions set at the conclusion of WWI made WWII inevitable, I don't think Wilson consciously knew that. He may have been a liar, but he couldn't "disguise" a contract for another war, if he was ignorant to that being the unshakable course of events. Reviewing history from present to the past can play tricks, if one lets it.

gsvol said:

The picture above is of the Camp O'Donnell Memorial Monument. The memorial was built by the organization known as "The Battling Bastards of Bataan" to honor those American men who died at Camp O'Donnell, while prisoners of the Japanese.

The monument is located in the Capas National Shrine, in Capas, Tarlac, Philippines,adjacent to the memorial for the Philippine Army dead. Camp O'Donnell was the first prison camp for the men who survived the "Death March". The picture was taken by James Litton.

The "Cross" was built as a memorial to the thousands who died in that camp. It is as much a part of Bataan as the participants in that battle. The inscription on the base of the "Cross" reads "Omnia Pro Patria": All For Country. On the wall behind the "Cross" are inscribed the names of the men who died at Camp O'Donnell.

The original "Cement Cross" is now on display in the National Prisoner of War Museum, at the Andersonville National Historic Site, Andersonville, GA. It was brought to this country by Bataan survivors.

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This is a great pic, gsvol. Thanks for linking it.

OrangeEmpire said:

Remember, you are talking about a total of 50 million losing their lives across the board on the Eastern front.

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And even after what we Americans thought was the end of the war, the slaughter continued.

Due to the communist/socialist aspect of the FDR administration and highly placed communist agents in British intelligence, Tito was placed in power in the artificially manufactured county called "Yugolsavia" which included Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Herzegovinia and Macedonia.

The second most number of deaths in Nazi concentration camps was in a camp in Croatia.

Tito didn't shut that camp down but kept it running for six more years after the end of WWII until political pressure had him move his gulag to an island in the Adriatic. The victims were political dissidents, mostly Serbs who had been our steadfast allies throughout the two world wars.

It is important to stress that the plight of German civilians in the Balkans is only a small portion of the Allied topography of death.

Seven to eight million Germans -- both military personnel and civilians -- died during and after World War II. Half of those perished during the final months of the war, or after Germany’s unconditional surrender on May 8, 1945. (It was FDR's bright idea that there could be no end to the war other than unconditional surrender back in 1943 and even though Hirohito offered to surrender Truman dropped the bombs and only accepted peace after the USSR was allowed to declare war on Japan.)

German casualties, both civilian and military, were
arguably higher in "peace” than in "war.”

In the months before and after the end of World War II,
ethnic Germans were killed, tortured and dispossessed throughout eastern and central Europe, notably in Silesia, East Prussia, Pomerania, the Sudetenland, and the “Wartheland” region. Altogether 12-15 million Germans fled or were driven from their homes in what is perhaps the greatest “ethnic cleansing” in history.

Of this number, more than two million were
killed or otherwise lost their lives. [14]

The grim events in postwar Yugoslavia are rarely dealt with in the media of the countries that emerged on the ruins of communist Yugoslavia, even though, remarkably, there is today greater freedom of expression and historical research there than in such western European countries as Germany and France. The elites of Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia, largely made up of former Communists, seem to share a common interest in repressing their sometimes murky and criminal past with regard to the postwar treatment of German civilians.

As already noted, “ethnic cleansing” is nothing new. Even if one regards the former Serb-Yu*goslav leader Slobodan Milosevic and the other defendants being tried by the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague as wicked criminals, their crimes are trivial compared to those of Communist Yugoslavia’s founder, Josip Broz Tito.

Tito carried out “ethnic cleansing” and mass killings on a far greater scale, against Croats, Germans and Serbs, and with the sanction of the British and American governments. His rule in Yugoslavia (1945-1980), which coincided with the “Cold War” era, was generally supported by the Western powers, who regarded his regime as a factor of stability in this often unstable region of Europe. [15]
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The largest settlement in the southern part
of the Banat, located at the estuary of the rivers Temesch and Donau, lies the city of Pantschowa. It is one of the oldest settlements in the area.

Together with the Germans, other nationalities had made their homes there, i.e. Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians, Slovaks, and others. For over 200 years they all had co-existed in peace.

Due to their efficiency and inborn diligence, albeit living under a foreign government, most of the Germans were able to prosper quite nicely, and managed to accumulate a fair amount of personal wealth, primarily in agricultural endeavors.

Pantschowa had by the beginning of Second World War over 25,000 residents. Besides the already mentioned other ethnicities over 12,000 of them were Germans.

The town's prestige and economic boom was primarily owed to these Germans. It grew to an economic center, from where goods were transported via hundreds of Donauschleppern (large, flat bottom boats) up and down the Donau to many other countries.

Thousands of Germans, as well as men from other ethnic backgrounds, were employed in this profitable undertaking, residing either in Pantschowa itself, or in any of the smaller communities surrounding the town.

The Russian Army entered these areas already during the first days of October 1944. Under their protection - the Yugoslav Partisans, under the command of the notorious Josip Broz Tito, immediately usurped all local control, and established their brutal authority.

Every one who they considered being opposed to Communism was liquidated. Not only supporters of the Serb General Neditsch, but also the Serbs loyal to the king, the Tschetnici Drascha Michailowitschs, but especially the Germans were completely annihilated.

From the nearly 40,000 Germans in Pantschowa and it's environ, only a few thousand were able to leave the country. The remaining, not having a guilty concience of any wrongdoings, feared no reprisals. They could not have forseen in their wildest dreams what fate awaited them under the new regime.

They were all liquidated and their properties confiscated. Today the entire area is completely cleansed of all Germans.

Shortly after their takeover the Partisans began the
imprisonment of the most prominent and affluent men among the German community. The first victims were the ones whose possessions and homes were most appealing to them, moving into the houses immediately and confiscating everything in sight.

All Germans, rounded up in Pantschowa, were incarcerated first in the Stockhaus, an old prison facility which was part of the district court annex. From the surrounding areas many more men and women were brought here, resulting in an overflow capacity. Therefore a camp, surrounded by barbed wire and omnipresent rifle-toting guards, had to be constructed.

When the Partisans, primarily after extensive alcohol consumption, felt like entertainment, they dragged Germans, hands tied, from the overcrowded areas of the prison facility - either single or in groups - and brutally tortured them until they were either dead or the tormentors were too tired to continue the cruelty.

The torture technique, typical for other areas in Yugoslavia, consisted of brutally throwing the victims to the ground facedown and ramming with full force the rifle butts into the kidney areas.

Thrusting them on their backs, they used their heavy boots to stomp on these helpless victims, breaking ribs and inflicting other internal injuries. Another favorite was breaking teeth and the bridge of the nose with vicious blows with pistol grips. Many, many of the incarcerated Germans died from the inflicted mutilations.

After a few days, when this form of savagery lost its iniitial appeal, Partisans began to round up groups within the camp, and marched them outside the confines and shot them.

Before this took place, however, they were ordered to strip down naked, because the clothes of the victims were a highly treasured booty. From the camp in Pantschowa alone a total of 1,666 Germans were taken outside the confines, mostly at night, and nobody ever saw them again! The road leading to the township Jabuka was used as a favorite place for executions; also the airport was selected for this gruesome handiwork. In 1946, close to the starch producing plant near the airport, twelve mounds were still visible.

These were mass graves of larger groups of victims, killed there and covered with dirt. Most of these groups consisted of about one hundred victims. Many Germans who had died in the prison facilities were also buried there.

IPorange said:

While there is no debate that the conditions set at the conclusion of WWI made WWII inevitable, I don't think Wilson consciously knew that. He may have been a liar, but he couldn't "disguise" a contract for another war, if he was ignorant to that being the unshakable course of events. Reviewing history from present to the past can play tricks, if one lets it.

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The only ignorance afoot is the true intentions of Woodrow Wilson from the beginning when influential forces were able to convince Teddy Roosevelt to run on a third party ticket, enabling puke face Wilson to win the White House. (House being a key word)

(the same tactic used by Bubba Clinton who continues to glorify the sorry administration of Woodrow Wilson)

For one was Wilson's rejection of Ho Chi Mihn who wanted very much to be an ally of the US and was quite fond of the US Constitution. (we'll get more into the whole Vietnam conflict if you care to, I have a lot to add to the misinformation most people believe on that topic.)

Ho practically begged Woodrow to help him throw off the yoke of French colonialism but Wilson was a Trotskyite.


Wilson's worst crime was to, through deception, place America again underneath the yoke of international banking, it is our crime if we do not throw off this yoke for the future of our children and the future of the American Republic.

OrangeEmpire said:

Remember, you are talking about a total of 50 million losing their lives across the board on the Eastern front.

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And even after what we Americans thought was the end of the war, the slaughter continued.

Due to the communist/socialist aspect of the FDR administration and highly placed communist agents in British intelligence, Tito was placed in power in the artificially manufactured county called "Yugolsavia" which included Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Herzegovinia and Macedonia.

The second most number of deaths in Nazi concentration camps was in a camp in Croatia.

Tito didn't shut that camp down but kept it running for six more years after the end of WWII until political pressure had him move his gulag to an island in the Adriatic. The victims were political dissidents, mostly Serbs who had been our steadfast allies throughout the two world wars.

It is important to stress that the plight of German civilians in the Balkans is only a small portion of the Allied topography of death.

Seven to eight million Germans -- both military personnel and civilians -- died during and after World War II. Half of those perished during the final months of the war, or after Germany’s unconditional surrender on May 8, 1945. (It was FDR's bright idea that there could be no end to the war other than unconditional surrender back in 1943 and even though Hirohito offered to surrender Truman dropped the bombs and only accepted peace after the USSR was allowed to declare war on Japan.)

German casualties, both civilian and military, were
arguably higher in "peace” than in "war.”

In the months before and after the end of World War II,
ethnic Germans were killed, tortured and dispossessed throughout eastern and central Europe, notably in Silesia, East Prussia, Pomerania, the Sudetenland, and the “Wartheland” region. Altogether 12-15 million Germans fled or were driven from their homes in what is perhaps the greatest “ethnic cleansing” in history.

Of this number, more than two million were
killed or otherwise lost their lives. [14]

The grim events in postwar Yugoslavia are rarely dealt with in the media of the countries that emerged on the ruins of communist Yugoslavia, even though, remarkably, there is today greater freedom of expression and historical research there than in such western European countries as Germany and France. The elites of Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia, largely made up of former Communists, seem to share a common interest in repressing their sometimes murky and criminal past with regard to the postwar treatment of German civilians.

As already noted, “ethnic cleansing” is nothing new. Even if one regards the former Serb-Yu*goslav leader Slobodan Milosevic and the other defendants being tried by the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague as wicked criminals, their crimes are trivial compared to those of Communist Yugoslavia’s founder, Josip Broz Tito.

Tito carried out “ethnic cleansing” and mass killings on a far greater scale, against Croats, Germans and Serbs, and with the sanction of the British and American governments. His rule in Yugoslavia (1945-1980), which coincided with the “Cold War” era, was generally supported by the Western powers, who regarded his regime as a factor of stability in this often unstable region of Europe. [15]
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The largest settlement in the southern part
of the Banat, located at the estuary of the rivers Temesch and Donau, lies the city of Pantschowa. It is one of the oldest settlements in the area.

Together with the Germans, other nationalities had made their homes there, i.e. Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians, Slovaks, and others. For over 200 years they all had co-existed in peace.

Due to their efficiency and inborn diligence, albeit living under a foreign government, most of the Germans were able to prosper quite nicely, and managed to accumulate a fair amount of personal wealth, primarily in agricultural endeavors.

Pantschowa had by the beginning of Second World War over 25,000 residents. Besides the already mentioned other ethnicities over 12,000 of them were Germans.

The town's prestige and economic boom was primarily owed to these Germans. It grew to an economic center, from where goods were transported via hundreds of Donauschleppern (large, flat bottom boats) up and down the Donau to many other countries.

Thousands of Germans, as well as men from other ethnic backgrounds, were employed in this profitable undertaking, residing either in Pantschowa itself, or in any of the smaller communities surrounding the town.

The Russian Army entered these areas already during the first days of October 1944. Under their protection - the Yugoslav Partisans, under the command of the notorious Josip Broz Tito, immediately usurped all local control, and established their brutal authority.

Every one who they considered being opposed to Communism was liquidated. Not only supporters of the Serb General Neditsch, but also the Serbs loyal to the king, the Tschetnici Drascha Michailowitschs, but especially the Germans were completely annihilated.

From the nearly 40,000 Germans in Pantschowa and it's environ, only a few thousand were able to leave the country. The remaining, not having a guilty concience of any wrongdoings, feared no reprisals. They could not have forseen in their wildest dreams what fate awaited them under the new regime.

They were all liquidated and their properties confiscated. Today the entire area is completely cleansed of all Germans.

Shortly after their takeover the Partisans began the
imprisonment of the most prominent and affluent men among the German community. The first victims were the ones whose possessions and homes were most appealing to them, moving into the houses immediately and confiscating everything in sight.

All Germans, rounded up in Pantschowa, were incarcerated first in the Stockhaus, an old prison facility which was part of the district court annex. From the surrounding areas many more men and women were brought here, resulting in an overflow capacity. Therefore a camp, surrounded by barbed wire and omnipresent rifle-toting guards, had to be constructed.

When the Partisans, primarily after extensive alcohol consumption, felt like entertainment, they dragged Germans, hands tied, from the overcrowded areas of the prison facility - either single or in groups - and brutally tortured them until they were either dead or the tormentors were too tired to continue the cruelty.

The torture technique, typical for other areas in Yugoslavia, consisted of brutally throwing the victims to the ground facedown and ramming with full force the rifle butts into the kidney areas.

Thrusting them on their backs, they used their heavy boots to stomp on these helpless victims, breaking ribs and inflicting other internal injuries. Another favorite was breaking teeth and the bridge of the nose with vicious blows with pistol grips. Many, many of the incarcerated Germans died from the inflicted mutilations.

After a few days, when this form of savagery lost its iniitial appeal, Partisans began to round up groups within the camp, and marched them outside the confines and shot them.

Before this took place, however, they were ordered to strip down naked, because the clothes of the victims were a highly treasured booty. From the camp in Pantschowa alone a total of 1,666 Germans were taken outside the confines, mostly at night, and nobody ever saw them again! The road leading to the township Jabuka was used as a favorite place for executions; also the airport was selected for this gruesome handiwork. In 1946, close to the starch producing plant near the airport, twelve mounds were still visible.

These were mass graves of larger groups of victims, killed there and covered with dirt. Most of these groups consisted of about one hundred victims. Many Germans who had died in the prison facilities were also buried there.

IPorange said:

While there is no debate that the conditions set at the conclusion of WWI made WWII inevitable, I don't think Wilson consciously knew that. He may have been a liar, but he couldn't "disguise" a contract for another war, if he was ignorant to that being the unshakable course of events. Reviewing history from present to the past can play tricks, if one lets it.

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The only ignorance afoot is the true intentions of Woodrow Wilson from the beginning when influential forces were able to convince Teddy Roosevelt to run on a third party ticket, enabling puke face Wilson to win the White House. (House being a key word)

(the same tactic used by Bubba Clinton who continues to glorify the sorry administration of Woodrow Wilson)

For one was Wilson's rejection of Ho Chi Mihn who wanted very much to be an ally of the US and was quite fond of the US Constitution. (we'll get more into the whole Vietnam conflict if you care to, I have a lot to add to the misinformation most people believe on that topic.)

Ho practically begged Woodrow to help him throw off the yoke of French colonialism but Wilson was a Trotskyite.


Wilson's worst crime was to, through deception, place America again underneath the yoke of international banking, it is our crime if we do not throw off this yoke for the future of our children and the future of the American Republic.

OrangeEmpire said:

GS, have you ever heard of summation?

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Ain't gonna study wah no mo.

You want to sue for peace smart ass???

gsvol said:

Ain't gonna study wah no mo.

You want to sue for peace smart ass???

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I am smart and I do have a rump.

k:

Chemvol said:

This is a great pic, gsvol. Thanks for linking it.

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Thanks, I'd like to recommend Stephanie Castillo and her documentary films, An Untold Triumph: The Story of the 1st & 2nd Filipino Infantry Regiments, U.S. Army and the Cockfighters.

I know or have met most of the people in the latter film who have all been publicly vilified and demonized but are good people, that film gives the viewer to see their side of the story.

OrangeEmpire said:

I am smart and I do have a rump.

k:

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:salute:

From the camp in Brestowatz,

3,784 Germans from Pantschowa, mostly women and children, were transfered to the large extermination camp in Rudolfsgnad during the fall of 1945. This amounted to a new cycle of widespread dying for the remaining Germans from Pantschowa. From the 3,784, who were brought here - only 1,884 were still alive in the summer of 1946. More than half, namely 1,900, either starved to death or died from illnesses during one winter alone! The men and women who still remained in the camp in Pantschowa and were not transfered to Brestowatz or Rudolfsgnad, were slowly exterminated. They were starved, constantly pushed to do heavy labor, and whoever got sick or injured and therefore unable to work was beaten to death or shot, either individually or in larger groups.....

Another group was shipped to the camp in Semlin, which was created on the former fairground. Several thousand Germans were murdered there. Following identical patterns as in Pantschowa, many in the surrounding communities were killed during these round-ups. Most of the time the highly respected and well-off Germans were the first ones to be annihilated since their possessions were sought by the Partisans.
Then came the time for the rest. Very few remained alive.

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German military and civilian losses during and

especially after World War II are still shrouded by a veil of silence, at least in the mass media, even though an impressive body of scholarly literature exists on that topic.

The reasons for this silence, due in large part to academic negligence, are deep rooted and deserve further scholarly inquiry. Why, for instance, are German civilian losses, and particularly the staggering number of postwar losses among ethnic Germans, dealt with so sketchily, if at all, in school history courses? The mass media -- television, newspapers, film and magazines -- rarely, if ever, look at the fate of the millions of German civilians in central and eastern Europe during and following World War II.

At the outbreak of World War II in 1939, more than one and a half million ethnic Germans were living in southeastern Europe, that is, in Yugoslavia, Hungary, and Romania. Because they lived mostly near and along the Danube river, these people were popularly known “Danube Swabians” or Donauschwaben. Most were descendants of settlers who came to this fertile region in the 17th and 18th centuries following the liberation of Hungary from Turkish rule.

After the end of fighting in Europe on May 8, 1945, more than 200,000 ethnic Germans who had remained behind in Yugoslavia effectively became captives of the new Communist regime. Some 63,635 Yugoslav ethnic German civilians (women, men and children) perished under Communist rule between 1945 and 1950 -- that is, some 18 percent of the ethnic German civilian population still remaining in the new Yugoslavia. Most died as a result of exhaustion as slave laborers, in “ethnic cleansing,” or from disease and malnutrition. [6] Much of the credit for the widely-praised “economic miracle” of Titoist Yugoslavia, it should be noted, must go to the tens of thousands of German slave laborers who, during the late 1940s, helped to build the impoverished country.

Property of ethnic Germans in Yugoslavia confiscated in the aftermath of World War II amounted to 97,490 small businesses, factories, shops, farms and diverse trades. The confiscated real estate and farmland of Yugoslavia’s ethnic Germans came to 637,939 hectares (or about one million acres), and became state-owned property. According to a 1982 calculation, the value of the property confiscated from ethnic Germans in Yugoslavia amounted to 15 billion German marks, or about seven billion US dollars. Taking inflation into account, this would today correspond to twelve billion US dollars. From 1948 to 1985, more than 87,000 ethnic Germans who were still residing in Yugoslavia moved to Germany and automatically became German citizens. [7]

All this constitutes a "final solution of the German question” in Yugoslavia.

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Here are several articles by Carl Savich, a historian that if read will give one a completely different perspective on many topics that are at variance with the propaganda we are fed by the media here in America.

In 1984, duckspeak is defined:

Provided that the opinions which were quacked out were orthodox ones, it implied nothing but praise, and when The Times referred to one of the orators of the Party as a doubleplusgood duckspeaker it was paying a warm and valued compliment.”

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(Barry for instance is a doubleplusgood duckspeaker but Biden otoh just has webbed feet and sounds like a quack, while Hitlery can't quack and fly at the same time, mostly because she only has one wing, the left one and even though Barry has sent her flying all over the world in Air Force 3 to keep her out of Washington, it was revealed recently she can't quack in Russian, let's just say that Marx (Groucho) wouldn't have given her the prize for saying the magic word because the duck didn't come down with the money in it's mouth.)gs

When George Orwell published his political satire Animal Farm in 1945, he wrote a preface to the book that was deleted and censored from the rest of the text. In the preface, Orwell criticized the media censorship and suppression that were endemic in Western countries during World War II.

The censored, deleted, and suppressed proposed 1945 preface to Animal farm was first published in The Times Literary Supplement on September 15, 1972 as an essay entitled “The Freedom of the Press”. In the preface, Orwell analyzed and deconstructed government and media censorship in Britain during World War II. Orwell focused on the case of Draza Mihailovich, the Serbian resistance leader in Yugoslavia who was first supported and aided by the Allies, the U.S., Soviet Union, and Britain, but later denounced and rejected in favor of the Communist leader Josip Broz Tito. Why was there a shift and reversal of support for Mihailovich? What role did the Western media play in censoring, distorting, and falsifying the facts in the case?

The censorship and suppression of the facts in the Draza Mihailovich case allowed a Communist dictatorship to be established in the former Yugoslavia. George Orwell showed that for democracy to be viable and legitimate, self-censorship and media suppression must be understood and examined.

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