Why would a 20 something year old need an EKG? Should I start to gather ingredients for the haggis, moppet ?What was the excuse for healthcare costs BEFORE the ACA? Not advocating for UHC, but your premise is really vague.
Healthcare has always been ridiculously expensive here. My EKG is Colombia cost me 10 bucks. Here, it's gonna run at around 75 on virtually the exact same equipment.
While government sponsored healthcare sucks, it is possible for a totally privatized healthcare system to **** over the public.
He's not going to be impeached so your wet dream will not come true.
He's not going to be impeached so your wet dream will not come true.
then why did costs go up?
then why did costs go up?
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Costs have always gone up, with or without ACA - insurance premiums would continue to rise. How much and why remains arguable. From bad intel on the numbers that would sign up, to the cost of insuring those with preexisting conditions, to the sickest buying heavily subsidized but very comprehensive and expensive care. There are lots of reasons and as trumpo discovered, it's a complex subject.
Before the ACA you were paying for the rising cost of healthcare though your premiums and indirectly through your taxes for the under and un-insured. You realized that, right?
yes, but I was paying a lot LESS then. again ACA has cost me 7200 over 3 years. That is for a single person, not a family, and not even a person that actually uses it.
and thats the delta, not the total of what I am paying.
I have 5 years of data that I can look at for myself. 2 without ACA, 3 with.
delta between year 1 & 2? about 4%, inflation and cost going up as has been brought up.
2&3? 114% IIRC, yay ACA. but that was just a one time jump right? nope. 3 & 4, about 151% increase. 4&5 its about a 60% increase. the jumps have been astronomical. haven't changed providers or plans, because really I don't have a choice in the matter.
there is no rationalizing the cost increases I have faced. the government effed me to pay for a bad plan. No way cost of business jumps that much.
It's a shell game man, one way or the other you will continue to pay more. If you think that repealing the ACA is going to cause your rates to go down, you're very likely going to be dissapointed. The partisan butchery and blame of the ACA simply shone a light onto a fuqd up system of healthcare that is driven by profit instead of efficiency.
removing government will only help that efficiency. and yeah at this point costs aren't going to go down. We are going to have to live with that ACA spike for the rest of our lives. doesn't mean I want the government in there trying to "fix" things even more.
except for the Patriot Act I can't think of any government action that directly impacted my life as much as ACA. and they were both negative AF.
Move to Colombia and live off their wages.
So do you believe people who can't afford the high cost of health care should be denied?
not necessarily. If the government can figure out a way to have two systems. Can't afford your own care you go to the government run facilities (VA), good luck. If you can afford health care you don't have to buy in to the government one as well.
I believe Medicare and the like are already in place.
so its the flip of your question. Do you believe people who can afford good health care should be denied so that more have less?
you can argue they are still double dipping, but now under ACA they are essentially triple dipping to pay for the same thing.
I don't follow, you want to not pay for it via taxes and you want them to have it paid for by the government.
It's one or the other.
Either tax payers pay for the uninsured or tax payers don't pay for the uninsured. If we don't, poor people are denied care.
under ACA our taxes covering medicare didn't go down. so I am saying that is still paid via taxes and we pay for our individual if you can. So I am paying twice.
right now I am paying the up charge on ACA to cover them, I am paying for my self, and I am paying for Medicare.
where is my moral/ethical obligation to provide for someone at a direct negative impact to myself and mine? life choices have impacts, you make bad ones you suffer, you make good ones you prosper. What we have is those who make good choices end up suffering for the bad, while the bad choices prosper. its a race to bottom. for the rest there is medicare.
medicare is a completely separate scheme I never contemplated in my response.
Regarding your moral and ethical obligations? Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night - bad things sometimes happen to good, hard working people. Too bad for them?
As an American, I sure would have a hard time believing a society that lets its poorest suffer make a case for being even remotely 'the best country on earth' or hell - even a civilized society.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have a rather limited amount of money. I can't provide for everyone. that doesn't make me, or society lesser for it. We are talking lasting harm, not that I can't go out and buy another Ralph Lauren polo.
the simplest way I can think of it is this. the boat we are on somewhat works for 300 million of our 330 million. yet if we pile on the extra 30 million suddenly that boat works for no one. We are in debt past our eyeballs, anything, and I mean anything, that adds to that is sinking our boat and isn't a good thing. It won't happen all at once, but it is happening.
I won't define our nation by its ability to care for those too stupid (common sense) or lazy to care for themselves. This isn't a free ride. Should we care for those who honestly can't provide for themselves, yes. but that is not what is happening.
Even with insurance we are still in the same boat as those who can't afford it at all. I have insurance but not an infinite amount of money. someone was bringing up 150k medical bills. even if insurance covered 80-90% of that I still couldn't afford it. I would have a better chance of affording it if I got to keep more of my money. but thats not what is happening.
Not everyone is asking for a "free ride", that's a straw man argument designed (I imagine) to help you rationalize and justify why you shouldn't or couldn't be held morally accountable. Whatever you have to tell yourself to justify it.
Treating healthcare like a commodity is great when one has the means. I hope you never fall on hard times where you'd have to choose between paying for rent, food or health insurance premiums. Many people do.
removing government will only help that efficiency. and yeah at this point costs aren't going to go down. We are going to have to live with that ACA spike for the rest of our lives. doesn't mean I want the government in there trying to "fix" things even more.
except for the Patriot Act I can't think of any government action that directly impacted my life as much as ACA. and they were both negative AF.
So do you believe people who can't afford the high cost of health care should be denied?
Are you advocating scaling healthcare costs with national wage averages?
Tsk, tsk, tsk... that's awfully socialist of you.
Also, it's funny you say that because one of my five year plans is opening up a hostel outside Cartagena which will involve me living there for significant portions of the year.