Trump just solved health care

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slobberknocker said:
Not hard to understand the free market. If you want to see a witch doctor, you pay him, he sees you. Government doesn't stop you. I pay out of pocket to see providers not in my network. If I want to see a witch doctor or counseling from a Wiccan, I pay them. Licensing doesn't have a thing to do with it.
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They cannot legally practice medicine without a license. Your witch doctor will not get a license.
 
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The more things government gets their hands on, the more it screws up. Trying to fix the absolute **** pile that was the ACA is way beyond one president. Obama did his best to screw the American people. He succeeded.
 
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slobberknocker said:
Has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. Appears that his premise was that the government or his insurance company wouldn't let him see a witch doctor. That is absurd. If you are willing to pay the fee, you can see whoever you want, licensed or unlicensed, nobody is stopping you if that's what you want. Unless you want the government to include witch doctors as minimal essential benefits.
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This is not completely true. There are doctors that will not see you if you dont have insurance. Regardless of what you offer to pay. Also, sometimes you cannot see any type of specialist without having insurance.

The free market is not the answer. Its far too late for that.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This is not completely true. There are doctors that will not see you if you dont have insurance. Regardless of what you offer to pay. Also, sometimes you cannot see any type of specialist without having insurance.

The free market is not the answer. Its far too late for that.
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Go down the road to the next guy. That’s how the free market works.
 
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lawgator1 said:
EO.

Says it will make cheaper policies available for millions of people. Millions. Cheaper but somehow better coverage and care.

Can't wait.
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Apparently this was what Rand Paul was wanting. Apparently there was a clause in Obama care that made a bill made in 74 or 79? Illegal. Basically it allows associations to buy insurance across state lines. Not the individual.. someone still has to negotiate the terms and the coverage of the plan.

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AM64 said:
So how would you compare that thought to the one about pro football players making millions playing a game - all justified by the limited time their bodies can participate? Doctors, for example, have spent years learning the practice. Reasonable for one group to profit on the front end, but not for another to profit on the back end? Which group provides the higher value service? Which one would you trust with a medical problem? Society has very strange ways of evaluating worth.
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I'm not sure I follow your point. I find the salaries some of our athletes make to be reprehensible, borderline criminal. It highlights some of the deficiencies of free market capitalism. Capitalism frequently brings about a negative correlation with jobs and pay.

Jobs with a high degree of moral, ethical, and societal worth frequently do not pay well because of the number of moral and ethical people willing to preform the job with little regard to pay. (military, police, fire, nurses, etc...) Capitalism rewards greed over selflessness. That's a rather big flaw in my book. But it works out swimmingly for the greedy.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This is not completely true. There are doctors that will not see you if you dont have insurance. Regardless of what you offer to pay. Also, sometimes you cannot see any type of specialist without having insurance.

The free market is not the answer. Its far too late for that.
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What is really funny.. a lot of times doctors that do provide care to people without insurance. It is often lower than what the doctor or the hospital charges the insurance.

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armchair said:
20 million people signed up with the ACA, so your notion that it was created over a one-year period just to "score political points" is utterly stupid. ACA still works very well in some states. You forget that Trump has been steadily sabotaging it since he took office--I think mostly because he's a racist and is quite determined to undue everything Obama achieved, not because he actually disagrees with th policies--he doesn't know a damn thing--but, as I say, because he's a white supremacist who can't stand Obama.

The only thing that will come out of this executive order, I read, is cheap policies that will cover virtually nothing. Of course you can lower insurance premiums--but only with policies that don't cover preexisting conditions, prescription drugs or mental health care and have very high deductibles, etc. Trump is a disgrace.
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In case this hasn't been addressed - only about 9 million signed up for the exchanges. The others were added to Medicaid roles.

A good percentage of those 9 million are getting hosed because they have to pay for coverage they don't need. This move is good news for those people.
 
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TNJOKER said:
Apparently this was what Rand Paul was wanting. Apparently there was a clause in Obama care that made a bill made in 74 or 79? Illegal. Basically it allows associations to buy insurance across state lines. Not the individual.. someone still has to negotiate the terms and the coverage of the plan.
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That's the catch.

States have regulations on coverages that are not all the same. So if in South Carolina they require less be covered than in North Carolina, the South Carolina insurer can go in to North Carolina with a distinct advantage. They can cherry pick the healthy people who pay lower premiums. Great for the South Carolina company, bad for the North Carolina company and for those who need the better coverages as the higher risk program will have only expensive policy holders left in it.

Ever wonder why all the credit card companies send you offers from Delaware and Nebraska? It's because those states don't regulate them as much as other states. So they all transfer their corporate status to the lowest regulatory states.

Does not work well with health care because everybody needs it. The pools of insured need to be EXPANDED, to spread the per policy risk and cost. This just stratifies it and makes coverage much more difficult for people on the wrong side of the curve. Which is a lot of people.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's the catch.

States have regulations on coverages that are not all the same. So if in South Carolina they require less be covered than in North Carolina, the South Carolina insurer can go in to North Carolina with a distinct advantage. They can cherry pick the healthy people who pay lower premiums. Great for the South Carolina company, bad for the North Carolina company and for those who need the better coverages as the higher risk program will have only expensive policy holders left in it.

Ever wonder why all the credit card companies send you offers from Delaware and Nebraska? It's because those states don't regulate them as much as other states. So they all transfer their corporate status to the lowest regulatory states.

Does not work well with health care because everybody needs it. The pools of insured need to be EXPANDED, to spread the per policy risk and cost. This just stratifies it and makes coverage much more difficult for people on the wrong side of the curve. Which is a lot of people.
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oh the horrors - giving better customers a better deal.

completely UnAmerican!
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not sure I follow your point. I find the salaries some of our athletes make to be reprehensible, borderline criminal. It highlights some of the deficiencies of free market capitalism. Capitalism frequently brings about a negative correlation with jobs and pay.

Jobs with a high degree of moral, ethical, and societal worth frequently do not pay well because of the number of moral and ethical people willing to preform the job with little regard to pay. (military, police, fire, nurses, etc...) Capitalism rewards greed over selflessness. That's a rather big flaw in my book. But it works out swimmingly for the greedy.
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I think that the amount of money that athletes and actors make says more about our society's hero worship and need to be entertained than it does about greed. The power of being on tv or the big screen is incredible, and shows our misplaced priorities.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not sure I follow your point. I find the salaries some of our athletes make to be reprehensible, borderline criminal. It highlights some of the deficiencies of free market capitalism. Capitalism frequently brings about a negative correlation with jobs and pay.

Jobs with a high degree of moral, ethical, and societal worth frequently do not pay well because of the number of moral and ethical people willing to preform the job with little regard to pay. (military, police, fire, nurses, etc...) Capitalism rewards greed over selflessness. That's a rather big flaw in my book. But it works out swimmingly for the greedy.
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Who says athletic jobs (or whatever job category you are angry about) are lacking moral or ethical worth? Further, society determines what is valuable - if you want to remove the free market aspect then the alternative is the choice is made by the few (elected officials?). I know you have dictatorial tendencies but while the market is not perfect, it is the most democratic choice mechanism we have. You hate the Electoral College because it's not democratic enough but you don't want individual choice to determine what society as a whole values. Seems like a major disconnect to me.

I'd like to see your evidence that someone choosing to be an educator is more moral or ethical than someone who chooses to be an athlete.

The truth is that anyone of us in this discussion could qualify to be a teacher (public school K-12). There are over 3 million public school teachers.

Virtually none of us could qualify to be a professional athlete and there are about 15K across all sports in the US. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the average salary for them is about 50K (high school teachers average 58K: boom).

It ain't about morals, ethics or societal worth (whatever that means).
 
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1972 Grad said:
I think that the amount of money that athletes and actors make says more about our society's hero worship and need to be entertained than it does about greed. The power of being on tv or the big screen is incredible, and shows our misplaced priorities.
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who should be the arbiter of our collective priorities?
 
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#121
Obamacare BTFO
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golfballs said:
Boom

[twitter]https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/918662713806647297[/twitter]
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If that's true, the GOPers who complained about Obama EOs need to be heard from.

Tell you what, in any event, the GOP now owns all of healthcare. Lock. Stock. Barrel.

Good luck with that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If that's true, the GOPers who complained about Obama EOs need to be heard from.

Tell you what, in any event, the GOP now owns all of healthcare. Lock. Stock. Barrel.

Good luck with that.
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I don’t think you get to decide that. I know y’all are desperate to unload it, but it’s not that easy. Good luck with that.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
I don’t think you get to decide that. I know y’all are desperate to unload it, but it’s not that easy. Good luck with that.
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Ha. How desperate are Is the GOP to avoid, not just doing anything, but taking responsibility for it when they do?

So sad.
 
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