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05-22-2012, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns Providing dignity to the memory of the dead loved one.
Let me ask you a question - if your spouse, child, dear loved one suddenly passed away - would you still have love for them?
I'll sit back and wait for your absurd reply. | Not for their carcass. As for the memories of dead loved ones, I will remember them how they lived; not whether or not they were burnt, incinerated, stuffed in a box and placed in a six foot deep hole, or donated to the body farm to be beaten with baseball bats and mallets.
As for the memory of a fetus...laughable. Most fetuses are discarded with all types of other medical waste and burnt, unceremoniously, with all the other blood, puss, urine, etc. of which places like Planned Parenthood must dispose. I would say that roasting the fetus and covering it with gold is at least as dignified, if not more dignified, than the manner in which most fetuses are disposed.
But, feel free to be outraged at something that has absolutely no affect on your life.
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Originally Posted by chatt-townVOL I have not sat down and read Gould's works or Dawkin's works...It's the uneducated kids running around these days trying to convince other kids...That's why I choose to pursue attacking popular perceptions... | |
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05-22-2012, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by therealUT Not for their carcass. As for the memories of dead loved ones, I will remember them how they lived; not whether or not they were burnt, incinerated, stuffed in a box and placed in a six foot deep hole, or donated to the body farm to be beaten with baseball bats and mallets.
As for the memory of a fetus...laughable. Most fetuses are discarded with all types of other medical waste and burnt, unceremoniously, with all the other blood, puss, urine, etc. of which places like Planned Parenthood must dispose. I would say that roasting the fetus and covering it with gold is at least as dignified, if not more dignified, than the manner in which most fetuses are disposed.
But, feel free to be outraged at something that has absolutely no affect on your life. | Ok - your post full of drivel didn't answer my question.
I'm not referring to a fetus, or a third party individual. Someone you love - mother, father, sibling, wife, child, etc - tragically dies. You instantaneously have no love for them any longer?
What if they were in a vegetative state? Essentially brain-dead but the body still lives?
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05-22-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns Ok - your post full of drivel didn't answer my question.
I'm not referring to a fetus, or a third party individual. Someone you love - mother, father, sibling, wife, child, etc - tragically dies. You instantaneously have no love for them any longer? | I do not have love for their carcass. Quote:
Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns What if they were in a vegetative state? Essentially brain-dead but the body still lives? | I still do not have love for their carcass; I simply hope that they recover.
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Originally Posted by chatt-townVOL I have not sat down and read Gould's works or Dawkin's works...It's the uneducated kids running around these days trying to convince other kids...That's why I choose to pursue attacking popular perceptions... | |
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05-22-2012, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns Let me ask you a question - if your spouse, child, dear loved one suddenly passed away - would you still have love for them? | Quote:
Originally Posted by therealUT Not for their carcass. As for the memories of dead loved ones, I will remember them how they lived; not whether or not they were burnt, incinerated, stuffed in a box and placed in a six foot deep hole, or donated to the body farm to be beaten with baseball bats and mallets.
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Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns Ok - your post full of drivel didn't answer my question. | ?!?!? |
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05-22-2012, 01:33 PM
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05-22-2012, 01:35 PM
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05-24-2012, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by therealUT I do not have love for their carcass.
I still do not have love for their carcass; I simply hope that they recover. | You still aren't answering the question and you know it.
Has anyone at all asked if you are in love with a carcass?
Has anyone asked if you will remember them and/or how they died?
If you are as intellectual as you like to make others think then you should have no problem understanding my very simple question.
Its a yes or no question.
Yes you would still have love for your dead loved one or No, you instantaneously stop loving them and are devoid of any emotions for the person and their memory.
Again - just to repeat - my question makes no mention of a carcass. And FYI - a person in a vegetative state is not a carcass.
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05-24-2012, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns You still aren't answering the question and you know it.
Has anyone at all asked if you are in love with a carcass?
Has anyone asked if you will remember them and/or how they died?
If you are as intellectual as you like to make others think then you should have no problem understanding my very simple question.
Its a yes or no question.
Yes you would still have love for your dead loved one or No, you instantaneously stop loving them and are devoid of any emotions for the person and their memory. | No, I would not still love them; I would have fond memories, however, one cannot love something that does not exist. Quote:
Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns Again - just to repeat - my question makes no mention of a carcass. And FYI - a person in a vegetative state is not a carcass. | Everyone is encapsulated by a carcass, whether they are in a vegetative state or not. Your body is simply a vessel and once you no longer have life, that vessel is meaningless.
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Originally Posted by chatt-townVOL I have not sat down and read Gould's works or Dawkin's works...It's the uneducated kids running around these days trying to convince other kids...That's why I choose to pursue attacking popular perceptions... |
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Reason: Sniped by autocorrect, booze, and carelessness.
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05-24-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by therealUT No, I would not still love them; I would have found memories, however, one cannot love something that does not exist.. | What do you mean you would have "found memories"? Where would you find them?
So if you held your wife until her last breath and are holding her lifeless body in your arms, the body really isn't there? Quote:
Originally Posted by therealUT Everyone is encapsulated by a carcass, whether they are in a vegetative state or not. Your body is simply a vessel and once you no longer have life, that vessel is meaningless. | Vessel and Carcass are two different words.
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05-24-2012, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns What do you mean you would have "found memories"? Where would you find them?
So if you held your wife until her last breath and are holding her lifeless body in your arms, the body really isn't there? | *fond (sorry, I was sniped by autocorrect, booze, and carelessness).
The body is there, my wife is not. Did I spend a lifetime loving my wife or loving a body? I have previously held a few friends and loved ones as they have died; once they were dead, I did not cling to the body. I let go and walked away (and, later, wept, a lot). The body is nothing more than a carcass and the carcass is nothing more than a vessel for life. When it no longer serves that function, it loses its worth. If it can serve another function, it may be have worth in a different role (science). Quote:
Originally Posted by PandamoniumReigns Vessel and Carcass are two different words. | Tautologies are tautological.
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