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05-15-2012, 10:00 AM
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| Usually when I'm beginning a workout regimine I'll start my first couple of weeks with light jogging and taking green tea pills or something not so heavy, so my body can get used to supplements. Then I'll hit it hard with a strong burner. I don't feel comfortable going from laziness/unhealthy eating to just instantly taking a strong supplement. | 
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05-15-2012, 01:12 PM
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| | B4DL
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: St Simon's Island, GA
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Originally Posted by volfanbill  what type of drug test are you referring to? There's nothing in OEP to trigger a positive in a standard military UA nor a standard civilian employment UA. You could trigger one for some high standard UA for sports and the likes, but I don't see much else. | As previously stated, its the 1,3 DMAA that can cause the false positive. I'm not saying it will or it won't, but I am saying its not a risk I'm willing to take. Too bad, because I really liked OEP a lot. | |
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05-15-2012, 01:27 PM
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| | YKW = Basilio's Bish
Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Knoxville
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| I've known a lot of people that have lost a lot of weight with OEP. USP Labs is pretty sure that MuscleTech, BSN, and a couple of others are behind the attack on Jack3d. They can't make a competitive product so they're hoping for a lot of bad publicity if nothing else. | 
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05-15-2012, 01:41 PM
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| | Fear The Monarchs!
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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth As previously stated, its the 1,3 DMAA that can cause the false positive. I'm not saying it will or it won't, but I am saying its not a risk I'm willing to take. Too bad, because I really liked OEP a lot. | If I may ask, what do you do and what kind of urinalysis would you be subject to? I've passed at least 3 military UAs while in cycle and one during the off cycle on OEP. | |
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05-15-2012, 01:45 PM
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#20 (permalink)
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| So OEP makes you lose weight? Why don't doctors recommend it for their fat patients? | |
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05-15-2012, 01:47 PM
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| | Fear The Monarchs!
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Johnson City
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Originally Posted by golfballs So OEP makes you lose weight? Why don't doctors recommend it for their fat patients? | several have. | |
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05-15-2012, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by volfanbill several have. | So you think it's good while cutting? I am normally very wary of supplements... | |
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05-15-2012, 02:24 PM
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#23 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by golfballs So OEP makes you lose weight? Why don't doctors recommend it for their fat patients? | If I were a doctor, I would be wary of ever recommending a supplement with as much controversy around it as 1,3 DMAA, whether the controversy is warranted, or not. Opening yourself up to litigation if the person has some sort of heart failure. | |
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05-15-2012, 02:32 PM
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| Yeah, well I'd rather avoid the stuff altogether, especially for the cost of it | |
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05-15-2012, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by golfballs Yeah, well I'd rather avoid the stuff altogether, especially for the cost of it | I'm not big on supps, especially pre-workouts. There is a creatine I like and will run every now and then. | |
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05-15-2012, 02:41 PM
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| It does the same as just about every other weight loss supplement & appetite suppressant just with some different ingredients. They all have risks of pretty much the same side effects. | |
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05-15-2012, 02:41 PM
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#27 (permalink)
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| Jack3d is the only thing I've found that I really like. Even more so than OEP, but it may be just that I take a higher dose of jack3d than OEP. | |
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05-15-2012, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chavisut I'm not big on supps, especially pre-workouts. There is a creatine I like and will run every now and then. | which creatine is it? | |
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05-15-2012, 03:07 PM
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#29 (permalink)
| | B4DL
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: St Simon's Island, GA
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Originally Posted by volfanbill If I may ask, what do you do and what kind of urinalysis would you be subject to? I've passed at least 3 military UAs while in cycle and one during the off cycle on OEP. | I'm in federal law enforcement. And I'm not suggesting that my drug tests are any different than anyone else's, only that even a remote possibility of a failed test is enough to warrant me not using it. Sounds like its worked well for you and you haven't had any issues. | |
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05-15-2012, 03:13 PM
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#30 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth I'm in federal law enforcement. And I'm not suggesting that my drug tests are any different than anyone else's, only that even a remote possibility of a failed test is enough to warrant me not using it. Sounds like its worked well for you and you haven't had any issues. | Might wanna be careful drinking coffee. | |
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