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04-30-2012, 08:09 AM
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| What a load of crap. The politicians involved in that should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives or executed in the town square. |
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04-30-2012, 08:15 AM
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| | Dancing with the Ball Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lexington, Kentucky.
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| That's just stupid. They should be kicked out for that. |
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04-30-2012, 08:21 AM
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| Yes this makes total sense. Let's cut off somebody's valuable resources when there is most likely children in the house over a retarded robot ticket. Excellent idea. I have gotten one of these before in knoxville. Paid the it just so the freaking letters would stop. It really would not bother me that much if it was a real cop (someone who is working and doing their job appropriately) instead of a lousy piece of technology. |
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04-30-2012, 08:28 AM
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| | VN conasewer | anyone really surprised? Traffic enforcement is little more than revenue collection Quote:
Originally Posted by TennVOLS93 Yes this makes total sense. Let's cut off somebody's valuable resources when there is most likely children in the house over a retarded robot ticket. Excellent idea. I have gotten one of these before in knoxville. Paid the it just so the freaking letters would stop. It really would not bother me that much if it was a real cop (someone who is working and doing their job appropriately) instead of a lousy piece of technology. | is this really the place for a "think about the kids" argument? |
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04-30-2012, 08:32 AM
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| | MeatFlap flaPperFat' Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: "The port of John"
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Originally Posted by utvolpj anyone really surprised? Traffic enforcement is little more than revenue collection is this really the place for a "think about the kids" argument? |
Uh... Why wouldn't you think about the kids?
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04-30-2012, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyclopskiller [/B]
Uh... Why wouldn't you think about the kids? | because you're blaming the sity/state for the negligence of the parent. If you're going to make anyone the bad guy it should be the idiot behind the wheel
if that argument is valid then I assume you are both for fully funding all entitlement programs since kids might be affected |
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04-30-2012, 08:36 AM
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| | I don't think so! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: York Pa
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| Don't pay it, wait for them to shut off your utilities, then sue them for reckless endangerment. |
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04-30-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by utvolpj because you're blaming the sity/state for the negligence of the parent. If you're going to make anyone the bad guy it should be the idiot behind the wheel
if that argument is valid then I assume you are both for fully funding all entitlement programs since kids might be affected | Normally that would probably be the case, but in the US we should still be able to face our accusers in court, and these cameras have been legally set up to avoid that issue by making these non-moving violations. No one should pay these tickets as it is literally highway robbery by our elected officials. |
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04-30-2012, 08:39 AM
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| | VN conasewer | Quote:
Originally Posted by davethevol Normally that would probably be the case, but in the US we should still be able to face our accusers in court, and these cameras have been legally set up to avoid that issue by making these non-moving violations. No one should pay these tickets as it is literally highway robbery by our elected officials. | It's still the case. The city didn't make anyone drive and surely didn't make anyone run the light. I'm more in favor of these than I am hiring more cops to simply set up speed traps and to sit and watch red lights all day.
If you look at the actual tickets there's not really much to gain by "facing your accuser" anyway. |
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04-30-2012, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by utvolpj because you're blaming the sity/state for the negligence of the parent. If you're going to make anyone the bad guy it should be the idiot behind the wheel
if that argument is valid then I assume you are both for fully funding all entitlement programs since kids might be affected | Says the police of this site. Smh
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04-30-2012, 08:42 AM
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| | MeatFlap flaPperFat' Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: "The port of John"
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Originally Posted by utvolpj It's still the case. The city didn't make anyone drive and surely didn't make anyone run the light. I'm more in favor of these than I am hiring more cops to simply set up speed traps and to sit and watch red lights all day.
If you look at the actual tickets there's not really much to gain by "facing your accuser" anyway. | Uses the self check-out lane..
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04-30-2012, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyclopskiller Says the police of this site. Smh | and just like driving- no one is forcing you to post |
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04-30-2012, 08:55 AM
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| | Dawn of a New Day Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Atlanta
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| I tend to agree with PJ on this one. Cameras seem to be an economical means to monitor traffic patterns and issue violations for those who choose to run red lights, which btw endangers other drivers.
If you get a ticket for a driving violation, whether from an officer or caught on camera, what does it really matter if you in fact did commit the violation? In regards to cutting off someone's utilities, it seems to be an unfortunate step... but if the violator would pay the ticket then it wouldn't be an issue. In some ways I could agree with this as it seems to be an efficient means (i.e. less tax $ required) to collecting fines from those who are unwilling to pay. |
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04-30-2012, 09:10 AM
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| | I don't think so! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: York Pa
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| Dear City of _________,
Re: Red Light Ticket of (DATE)
I received your letter dated (DATE), and acknowledge moving through the intersection at the time and date stated. However, I cannot agree that this was unlawful as there was an ambulance approaching from behind me and I was obstructing its path of travel. Therefore, I cleared the intersection in order to allow it to proceed on its life saving mission. Consequently, I am not paying a fine for executing my civic responsibility and making way for a first responder.
As a character reference, please review your camera footage for the 100+ previous times that I've traveled through that particular intersection so you can verify that I have never run through the red light prior to this occasion. Also, feel free to check my driving record and you will see I have not had so much as a speeding ticket and only 1 parking violation in the past 20+ years.
Please desist in sending any more letters in this regard.
Sincerely,
Me,
Good Citizen of City of __________ |
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