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04-09-2012, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol What about age of the mother? I've heard/read several things that seem to indicate that children are put at higher risk for conditions such as Down's Syndrome if the mother is over 35 years old. | I think I've seen every causation known to man. |
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04-09-2012, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkVol I was curious about their ages because my sister had made the same decision but when her kids got to be school age, she changed her mind and let them be vaccinated. It seems as though a lot of people give in once the schools start putting pressure on them.
My view is that vaccines have saved more lives than any other medical development, with the only exception possibly being hand washing. | My kids are in school. It definitely wasn't easy. I see why parents cave. Attorneys come in handy. |
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04-09-2012, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GAVol I think I've seen every causation known to man. | Yep, the list is exhausting... |
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04-09-2012, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkVol I thought they were updated with the DSM-IV-TR and more refined criteria would be included in the next version. | The only change in the TR (2000) was that the definition for PDD/NOS was narrowed. The criteria hasn't changed in eighteen years, yet that is supposed to be one of the explanations for the increase in diagnosis. |
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04-09-2012, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by s1216 The only change in the TR (2000) was that the definition for PDD/NOS was narrowed. The criteria hasn't changed in eighteen years, yet that is supposed to be one of the explanations for the increase in diagnosis. | Interesting, thanks for explaining it. |
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04-09-2012, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by T-TownVol The article is not addressing the severly autistic. It uses the word to catch everyone's attention and then throws in "developmental delays". Volly is 100% correct in her review of this article.
You must have someone close to you that is severly autistic to have reacted so strongly. Would you like to tell us more about that? | T-Town, Volly did not "review" the article she was just honestly discussing and asking questions. I have no idea where your Newtonian "100% correct" comes into play here nor your claim that the study this article is butchering is not an autism study.
I probably appear snappish because you get tired of the same misinformation all the time. The belief that this is not a serious situation is common and I perhaps I would have the same notion had I not been shown otherwise through experience.
If someone has an actual autism spectrum diagnosis (not just some odd person randomly claiming "I'm autistic"), it is a very serious medical condition. There is no "autism light".
The lowest level of impairment in the autism spectrum is Asperger's. 80% of these individuals will never be able to hold down a full-time job. And of the 20% that will, its usually not the job they would otherwise be capable of. With a PDD/NOS or Autism Disorder diagnosis that number goes down to virtually zero.
This is not a disease that means a label has been found for the class dork. This is a serious disability. Take it from someone who has met hundreds of these children. |
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04-09-2012, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by s1216
The lowest level of impairment in the autism spectrum is Asperger's. 80% of these individuals will never be able to hold down a full-time job. And of the 20% that will, its usually not the job they would otherwise be capable of. | This is what keeps me up at night. |
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04-10-2012, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bamacheats Try finding an objective study conclusively ruling them out. There isn't one. There are, however, a lot of "reports".
Neither of mine are vaccinated. Too much risk for too little of a potential reward. I agree with families dealing with it instead of pharma trying to profit from it. | You're asking the impossible. Studies can't prove anything conclusively. They can demonstrate relationships. I believe the relationships between vaccines and good health are a lot stronger than the alternative. |
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04-10-2012, 10:45 AM
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A now-retracted British study that linked autism to childhood vaccines is an "elaborate fraud," according to a medical journal -- a charge the physician behind the study vigorously denies.
The British medical journal BMJ, which published the results of its investigation, concluded Dr. Andrew Wakefield misrepresented or altered the medical histories of all 12 of the patients whose cases formed the basis of the 1998 study -- and that there was "no doubt" Wakefield was responsible. The journalist who wrote the BMJ articles said Thursday he believes Wakefield should face criminal charges.
| Medical journal: Study linking autism, vaccines is 'elaborate fraud' - CNN.com |
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04-10-2012, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GAVol This is what keeps me up at night. |
It's my thought that my son will be in a math, computer or science field and will live a productive life and have a career. We are going to look at special needs scholarships available in a few years and hope he keeps up the success in class. It may not be what I would have chosen, but he's the type that will be happy and there isn't an ounce of greed in him. |
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04-10-2012, 12:40 PM
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| Obesity during pregnancy? Who would've thought? |
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04-10-2012, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by govols/cc Obesity during pregnancy? Who would've thought? | pregnancy weight gain and fat are 2 different things |
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04-10-2012, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by utvolpj pregnancy weight gain and fat are 2 different things | The study is about obesity during pregnancy. I've never known a pregnant woman that didn't gain weight during pregnancy & it wasn't just muscle & a 7lb baby. |
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04-10-2012, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by govols/cc The study is about obesity during pregnancy. I've never known a pregnant woman that didn't gain weight during pregnancy & it wasn't just muscle & a 7lb baby. | no it's discussing weight prior to having a child not weight gain while pregnant. A pregnant mother is never reclassified as obese |
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04-10-2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by govols/cc The study is about obesity during pregnancy. I've never known a pregnant woman that didn't gain weight during pregnancy & it wasn't just muscle & a 7lb baby. | My sister-in-law was down a total of like 7 lbs just before giving birth, and she wasn't a big lady either. Obviously overweight, but smaller than Adele.
And according to this, only 5-9 lbs of pregnancy gains are stored fats. Weight Gain During Pregnancy: How Much Is Normal?
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