To my democratic friends, did you receive __________ in the mail?

[bam15]

I guess it's safe to say that you don't like activist judges OE.


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[OrangeEmpire]

I prefer to be protected from fools and live my life how I want.

I know freedom doesn't matter much to you guys, but to some of us, it is every thing.

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by T-TownVol

It has been used.....that is not what you said......you said it is legal.....it is not
just because it has been done, does not make it legal
the Dems took it to court almost everytime it was used by the GOP, but since it was only used on meaninless paperwork, the courts allowed it


"the more you know"....arse wipe

Exactly, which is why he kept using the word rule rather than law. It has been used administratively. There has been nothing of merit actually passed with it. This is an end around on American will and processes.
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[VolInMn]

Originally Posted by T-TownVol

"the more you know"....arse wipe

Like I've told you before, if you have a personal problem with me, send me a PM and I'll be happy to remove the verbal gloves, as it were. Otherwise, I'm trying to follow the rules of this board with regard to name calling. You might try to do the same.

[T-TownVol]

Originally Posted by VolInMn

Like I've told you before, if you have a personal problem with me, send me a PM and I'll be happy to remove the verbal gloves, as it were. Otherwise, I'm trying to follow the rules of this board with regard to name calling. You might try to do the same.

don't flatter yourself there Skippy....it ain't personal....just the truth

you sound like a 10yr old boy calling out another trying to get them in trouble with the Mods

[VolInMn]

Look, as long as you all believe that every time it was used in the past it was against the law, I have no problem with that. My issue would be if someone had no problem with it in the past, but suddenly does now.

If this has been illegal since conception, it makes one wonder why nothing has ever been done about it.

[tvolsfan]

It was always against the law. I don't care if you say it was. However the idea that they're trying to pass something major with it is absolutely sickening. If this does somehow end up in the Supreme Court, they're simply not doing their jobs if they allow this.

[VolInMn]

Originally Posted by T-TownVol

don't flatter yourself there Skippy....it ain't personal....just the truth

Oh darn. I was so looking forward to a profanity laden PM just stuffed full of your ingenious and witty insults.

I suppose I'll have to try and pick up the shattered pieces of my life and move on.

Originally Posted by T-TownVol

you sound like a 10yr old boy calling out another trying to get them in trouble with the Mods

*chuckle*

Pot, kettle, etc.

[T-TownVol]

Originally Posted by VolInMn

Oh darn. I was so looking forward to a profanity laden PM just stuffed full of your ingenious and witty insults.

I suppose I'll have to try and pick up the shattered pieces of my life and move on.



*chuckle*

Pot, kettle, etc.

I am not the one telling you how to speak.....your life is sad....not shattered.....BHO has three more years to get that done
I don't hide behind a PM

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by VolInMn

Look, as long as you all believe that every time it was used in the past it was against the law, I have no problem with that. My issue would be if someone had no problem with it in the past, but suddenly does now.

If this has been illegal since conception, it makes one wonder why nothing has ever been done about it.

I don't care what they do for procedural garbage. I care about the process by whic they pass laws that impact all of us.
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[volinbham]

VolinMN - can you produce any significant legislation (on par with HC reform or even close) where this rule was used?

Can you find any that make law (signed by POTUS) while avoiding a vote on said bill by one house of Congress?

Just curious.

[T-TownVol]

Originally Posted by volinbham

VolinMN - can you produce any significant legislation (on par with HC reform or even close) where this rule was used?

Can you find any that make law (signed by POTUS) while avoiding a vote on said bill by one house of Congress?

Just curious.

give him a few....he is still running away from his "this is not illegal" shat

[BeecherVol]

crickets

[VolInMn]

Sorry kids, I have a family and stuff to do so I can't hang out here all evening.

@volinbham: Are we now going to argue that this procedure is okay sometimes, depending on what it covers?

@BPV: If you believe that this procedure is and always has been illegal, no matter which party uses it, I can respect that, as I already said.

@T-Town: You make convincing arguments with your razor sharp observations and I am in awe of your stunning intellect. Obviously, I cannot compete with such superior intelligence. So, feel free to scoot on off to bed knowing you've won the day. You need your sleep for morning comes early and the french fry machine waits for no man.

[TennTradition]

This is the best source I have found concerning past use of the self-executing rule. From the Congressional Research Service:

http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/contri...rts/98-710.pdf