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12-15-2009, 11:44 AM
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| I love this part "The alteration was made because no other deities were named in the program."
ummm allah is the christian god too. | 
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12-15-2009, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by droski  I love this part "The alteration was made because no other deities were named in the program."
ummm allah is the christian god too. | I know a lot of people who would argue that point with you. Christians I know have never called God the name Allah.
That's not my point. The parents were pleased with the program, but some outsiders caught wind of it.
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12-15-2009, 12:03 PM
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| I don't use allah for God. If you study what Islam calls god and what Judo/Christians call God, they are not the same. Study the relationship factor. | |
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12-15-2009, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldvol75 I don't use allah for God. If you study what Islam calls god and what Judo/Christians call God, they are not the same. Study the relationship factor. | +1 
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12-15-2009, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldvol75 I don't use allah for God. If you study what Islam calls god and what Judo/Christians call God, they are not the same. Study the relationship factor. | care to explain? the old and new testament are included in the koran. | |
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12-15-2009, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by droski care to explain? the old and new testament are included in the koran. | Sure! The koran was written about 1600 years later. They included it because it was known text and they were trying to get both Jews and Christians to follow thier beliefs. But the relationship between God and man was changed in the koran. They believe that a person has do different acts to inter heaven, works if you will. Thats your only way to enter heaven. They do not view their god as a Heavenly Father were as Jews and Christians do. | |
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12-15-2009, 12:34 PM
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| Also, there is no relationship between God and man in the Muslim religion, unlike Chrisitanity. | |
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12-15-2009, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldvol75 Sure! The koran was written about 1600 years later. They included it because it was known text and they were trying to get both Jews and Christians to follow thier beliefs. But the relationship between God and man was changed in the koran. They believe that a person has do different acts to inter heaven, works if you will. Thats your only way to enter heaven. They do not view their god as a Heavenly Father were as Jews and Christians do. | how is that any different than say a fundamentalist baptist interpretation of the bible? | |
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12-15-2009, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by droski I love this part "The alteration was made because no other deities were named in the program."
ummm allah is the christian god too. | There are many original Hebrew names for God.....allah is not one of them. | |
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12-15-2009, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by droski how is that any different than say a fundamentalist baptist interpretation of the bible? | Salvation is God's gift to man, not to be earned through works or deeds, but simply for the asking. | |
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12-15-2009, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by droski how is that any different than say a fundamentalist baptist interpretation of the bible? | I'm not really clear with what you are asking but there is a BIG difference. Before I go into that let me go into "fundamentalist baptist". As you know denomanations are man made. Being a Baptist, Methodist, Pentacostal, Church of Christ, etc... is not going to save anyone. The denomanations are groups of like minded believers. The body of Christ is made up of many parts. Christ has to be the head of the Body. The donomanations make up the parts. IMHO that is the major problem in churches today. Everyone wants to say their way is the besy way. There is only one way and is through Faith and belief in Jesus Christ as ones Lord and Saviour. I am a Baptist by choice and Christian by the Grace of God.
How is it different? Do you hold, for example, Science books to be factual? Are there others out there that you hold to be true? If you do then you have a "faith" in that source. I have "faith" in what my Faith teaches me. Without faith, I have no hope, but with Faith, I have all hope. | |
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12-15-2009, 01:41 PM
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| i see your point and don't neccasarily disagree. but i guess i don't understand that if muslims believe that THEY believe in the christian god as to why it would be offensive to christians to mention allah. i.e. the muslims clearly are not pushing their beliefs in this particular matter it's just their word for god. | |
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12-15-2009, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by droski i see your point and don't neccasarily disagree. but i guess i don't understand that if muslims believe that THEY believe in the christian god as to why it would be offensive to christians to mention allah. i.e. the muslims clearly are not pushing their beliefs in this particular matter it's just their word for god. | That is a question for the people that protested. My kids know the truth. I would have no problem with it. | |
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12-15-2009, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by droski i see your point and don't neccasarily disagree. but i guess i don't understand that if muslims believe that THEY believe in the christian god as to why it would be offensive to christians to mention allah. i.e. the muslims clearly are not pushing their beliefs in this particular matter it's just their word for god. | Do you remember seeing on TV when they would show terrorist training camps? They would show one were they were training in a house. They would kick the door open and fire at wooden cutouts. If you looked at the cutouts, one had a Star of David and the other a Christian Cross. If they truly worshiped the same God as Jews and Christians, I really don't think that would be their targets.
Their faith, muslims, centers around allah. That is their sole purpose in life. If they really didn't object to the Christian God, then they would not kill members of their families that convert to Christianity. True Christians do not kill others that convert to another religion, they just pray for them. Noticed I used the words "true Christian", there are nut jobs out there in every religion. But even these nut jobs don't declare a jihad. | |
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