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07-03-2009, 04:19 PM
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| Good article on the climate change controversy
5 Climate Studies That Don't Live Up to the Hype - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com
It's interesting to see the author trace a headline to both its source and the "story's" conclusion. A lot of the climate change debate is steeped in ignorance on both sides.
Scientific study is not ready to be packaged into quick bottom-lines like the media tries to do, and then this misinformation breeds irrelevant debate, instead of a focus at the actual facts at hand.
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07-03-2009, 04:29 PM
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| Really? Maybe I just see the article differently.
I feel like it shows that a lot of the "controversy" is sparked off by faulty conclusions given by the media, without understanding the preliminary or cursory nature of most studies.
How did you see the article?
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07-03-2009, 04:30 PM
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07-03-2009, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by IPorange Really? Maybe I just see the article differently.
I feel like it shows that a lot of the "controversy" is sparked off by faulty conclusions given by the media, without understanding the preliminary or cursory nature of most studies.
How did you see the article? | I was kidding about a "good" article on climate change. I don't believe there is a good article on any level of that topic. Posted via VolNation Mobile | |
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07-03-2009, 04:41 PM
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| I feel like the theory of evolution suffers from similar problems with misinformation, now that I think about it.
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07-03-2009, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by IPorange I feel like the theory of evolution suffers from similar problems with misinformation, now that I think about it. | Without doubt. The controversy generates the money. Posted via VolNation Mobile | |
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07-07-2009, 05:49 PM
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Near the center of Great Erg of Bilma, (one might call this the heart of the Great Sahara Desert), there are the footprints of elephants, hippos and girfaffs around the edge of a dried up lake, how did this climate change come about???
Hint, we know humans had nothing to do with it unless maybe the fires of cave dwelling neanderthals on the Iberian penensula drifted accross the Mediteranian and turned north Africa into a hot house.
Follow the money, cap and trade will increase the coffers of those who already have fortunes beyond measure but the common man will be pushed one (or more) step(s) backwards toward serfdom.
It's been a long long time since I've had the first good thing to say about any Democrat (or few Republicans for that matter) but I have to say my rep voted against the C&T bill.
Not that that is saying anything good about him, my cynical attitude about politics and politicians leads me to believe if they needed his vote they would have gotten it, it's just that he knew his constituency was solidly against it.
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07-07-2009, 05:57 PM
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| 3 Questions GS:
1) Which district are you in?
2) Not that this is relevant to the larger AGW discussion, but where was the area that is not the Sahara dessert at the time of the neanderthals? My guess is not where it is today. That isn't even global climate changing...that is just continents picking up and moving.
3) The fact that climate changes without human influence is well established. In general, the time line for these changes is very long (tens of thousands of years) with adaptation coming along the way. Why is the fact that natural climate variations exist some how proof that man-made climate influences cannot exist? | |
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07-07-2009, 06:00 PM
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| Come on now, the Earth carved out England from mainland Europe.... what has man done to to compare to that? (Small Scale)
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07-07-2009, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire Come on now, the Earth carved out England from mainland Europe.... what has man done to to compare to that? (Small Scale) | The earth has also moved parts of east china that were once connected to the Appalachian mountains half-way around the globe. What has man done to compare to that?
I don't understand how the raw power of the earth somehow indicates that man cannot have a negative effect on her climate....even an appreciable negative effect. | |
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07-07-2009, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hmanvolfan | There's some discussion about this in the Cap and Trade thread if you want to read through it... | |
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07-07-2009, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gsvol Question:
Near the center of Great Erg of Bilma, (one might call this the heart of the Great Sahara Desert), there are the footprints of elephants, hippos and girfaffs around the edge of a dried up lake, how did this climate change come about???
Hint, we know humans had nothing to do with it unless maybe the fires of cave dwelling neanderthals on the Iberian penensula drifted accross the Mediteranian and turned north Africa into a hot house.
Follow the money, cap and trade will increase the coffers of those who already have fortunes beyond measure but the common man will be pushed one (or more) step(s) backwards toward serfdom.
It's been a long long time since I've had the first good thing to say about any Democrat (or few Republicans for that matter) but I have to say my rep voted against the C&T bill.
Not that that is saying anything good about him, my cynical attitude about politics and politicians leads me to believe if they needed his vote they would have gotten it, it's just that he knew his constituency was solidly against it. | Good to see you are alive and well, gs. We were wondering if you were ok. There's a long thread about it somewhere.
The climate change in what is now the Sahara was due to the ending of the previous ice age, and the monsoonal effect North Africa used to enjoy. No, humans had nothing to do with it. I am not sure how citing past nonhuman driven climate change counters human driven climate change...
I am not a fan of cap and trade. I fail to see how making government wealthy and the private sector more stressed is a net positive. I won't defend it.
And for the record, the continents have hardly moved at all since the time of neanderthals. Humans are a flash in the pan in geologic time, which is more reason why pointing to past climate change as proof that current climate change can't be human influenced is kind of a straw man.
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07-07-2009, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire Come on now, the Earth carved out England from mainland Europe.... what has man done to to compare to that? (Small Scale) | Split an atom? Or do you mean in the same vein? Then I would point to the Suez and Panama canals. Or the ancient chinese waterways that extended hundreds of miles inland, and were completely engineered.
But I fail to see the point. It's like saying humans can't heat a house in the winter, because we haven't done anything compared to the Sun.
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