The War on Drugs has Failed

[OrangeEmpire]

It could never be won.......

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

It could never be won.......

marijuana aside, do you think we should keep the fight up against drugs?

[dantheman617]

Originally Posted by KB5252

Are you serious? The only person harmed is the drug user? What about their children, spouses, parents, the people they steal from to get drug money, the people killed over turf wars by drug dealers and users?


How has the government proved anything of the sort? I wasn't aware that drugs were made legal and it had been shown that enforcement was less effective than actually letting them be made available everywhere, anytime.

All of this is void when it comes to MJ. Cocaine, meth, etc...YES

As for turf wars....if MJ was legal, why would they fight if could be bought anywhere? That would be like gangs fighting over cigarettes or beer

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by dantheman617

All of this is void when it comes to MJ. Cocaine, meth, etc...YES

As for turf wars....if MJ was legal, why would they fight if could be bought anywhere? That would be like gangs fighting over cigarettes or beer

I don't really have a problem with MJ. I was speaking of harder drugs. The poster I responded to used the word "they" when talking about drugs so I assumed they meant drugs in general.

[dantheman617]

Originally Posted by KB5252

marijuana aside, do you think we should keep the fight up against drugs?

Yes we should. Will it ever be won? I dont think so. It is too easy to do and the money is too great. People are greedy and people on hard drugs will go to any extent to get what they want. Just watch intervention if you want some examples Its truely sad to see some of them people on there..... speaking of intervention, how many episodes has there been with people strung out on MJ with their families crying? None

[dantheman617]

My uncle is currently being destroyed by meth. He still denies it, but I have found it personally. He has went from a 220lb man, to maybe 150 if he is lucky. He lost his well paying gvt job, his house, boat, wife, and kids. He is just another example of what they can and will do.

[KB5252]

Here is another angle on the question of drugs being legal. As we have seen with the alcohol and tobacco lobby becoming very powerful, many times the public's health was an afterthought and big money via campaign contributions won out with lawmakers.

I think it very likely over time the same would be very true about the drug lobby as well, not to mention the lobby would be made up of our enemies in many cases.

[oklavol]

Originally Posted by KB5252

Are you serious? The only person harmed is the drug user? What about their children, spouses, parents, the people they steal from to get drug money, the people killed over turf wars by drug dealers and users?


How has the government proved anything of the sort? I wasn't aware that drugs were made legal and it had been shown that enforcement was less effective than actually letting them be made available everywhere, anytime.

They are not illegal in some countries in Europe. They aren't spending millions fighting it, and guess what? The country didn't fall apart....

They are illegal now, so why are all all these people being harmed in this country by them? if making them illegal stopped people from using, then why hasn't it worked?

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by KB5252

marijuana aside, do you think we should keep the fight up against drugs?

Sure, if they would actually eliminate the cause.

They won't, so no, we should not continue the war on drugs.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

Sure, if they would actually eliminate the cause.

They won't, so no, we should not continue the war on drugs.

Should they be legal? Do you not think the problems associated with drugs would get worse if they became easier to obtain?

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by KB5252

Should they be legal? Do you not think the problems associated with drugs would get worse if they became easier to obtain?

I can go outside of my office and get what ever I want within 150ft of this building I am sitting in.

[OrangeEmpire]

Tax it and say the heck with it!

People are lazy......... and impatient!

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by oklavol

They are illegal in some countries in Europe. They aren't spending millions fighting it, and guess what, the country didn't fall apart.
So do you think they should be illegal (save MJ)?
They are illegal now, so why are all these people being harmed in this country then? if making them illegal was going to stop people from using, why didn't it?

I don't think them being illegal will keep people from using i just think it helps to keep them underground and a little harder to obtain. Granted they are easy enough to find if you are using but the harder to obtain the better as far as I'm concerned.

See bold above.

For the record I think we do waste a lot of money fighting drugs but they still need to be kept illegal and stiff penalties need to be enforced JMO.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

I can go outside of my office and get what ever I want within 150ft of this building I am sitting in.

Much of that depends on where you are though. I know when I used to be involved in "questionable activity" finding drugs was no problem. I moved away from the area I grew up in because i wanted to raise my family away from those influences. I just don't want it to follow me where I live now. Hell if we could get rid of them altogether would be a lot better, it will never happen though.

[cd12]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

It could never be won.......

at least not until you have reached 30,000 post!