The War on Drugs has Failed

[dantheman617]

Everyone just needs to smoke a joint

[therealUT]

Originally Posted by KB5252

the better for society.

This is where you lose me.

[tim]

Most of you are clueless. How can you judge an ongoing war on anything. The word "war" was a poor choice. I would consider it an effort and the cause is good. Nothing good comes out of any drug use. Have any of you been paying attention to what goes on in these countries with liberal lines of thinkin? Drug use, yes even MJ, is the root crime for about 90% of all crime. And you say legalize it? For everyone of you who say MJ is harmless, I'll show you some pics of 5 teenagers dead on the side of the road. And for you who say Alcohol is worse, I'll ask.. How do you know?

And for the person who said it, MJ does not carry the same penalties as Heroin.

[rjd970]

Originally Posted by tim

Most of you are clueless. How can you judge an ongoing war on anything. The word "war" was a poor choice. I would consider it an effort and the cause is good. Nothing good comes out of any drug use. Have any of you been paying attention to what goes on in these countries with liberal lines of thinkin? Drug use, yes even MJ, is the root crime for about 90% of all crime. And you say legalize it? For everyone of you who say MJ is harmless, I'll show you some pics of 5 teenagers dead on the side of the road. And for you who say Alcohol is worse, I'll ask.. How do you know?

And for the person who said it, MJ does not carry the same penalties as Heroin.

Let's make Aspirin Illegal too.

Aspirin vs. Marijuana | The Best Article Every day

Marijuana has been used for over 5,000 years.
No one has ever overdosed on marijuana.
Aspirin has been used for 108 years.
Approximately 500 people die every year by taking aspirin

Marijuana side effects and dangers:

The dangers of marijuana include possible respiratory problems caused by the deposition of burnt plant material on the lungs. This danger can be eliminated with alternate forms of consumption such as eating or vaporizing the medicine.
For two to four hours, marijuana causes short-term memory loss, a slight reduction in reaction time, and a reduction in cognitive ability. (It makes you stupid for a little while.)These conditions DO NOT persist after the herb wears off.

Hunger
Paranoia
Depression
Laughter
Introspection
Creative Impulse
Euphoria
Tiredness
Forgetfulness

Aspirin side effects and dangers:

When taken with alcohol, aspirin can cause stomach bleeding.
Reye Syndrome in children: fat begins to develop around the liver and other organs of the child, eventually putting severe pressure on the brain. Death is common within a few days.
People with hemophilia can die.
People with hyperthyroidism suffer elevated T4 levels.
Stomach problems include dyspepsia, heartburn, upset stomach, stomach ulcers with gross bleeding, and internal bleeding leading to anemia.
Dizziness, ringing in the ears, hearing loss, vertigo, vision disturbances, and headaches.
Heavy sweating
Irreversible liver damage
Inflamation and gradual destruction of the kidneys
Nausea and vomiting
Abdominal pain
Lethargy
Hyperthermia
Dyspepsia: a gnawing or burning stomach pain accompanied by bloating, heartburn, nausea, vomiting and burping.
Tachypnea: Abnormally fast breathing
Respiratory Alkalosis: a condition where the amount of carbon dioxide found in the blood drops to a level below normal range brought on by abnormally fast breathing.
Cerebral Edema: Water accumulates on the brain. Symptoms include headaches, decreased level of consciousness, loss of eyesight, hallucinations, psychotic behavior, memory loss and coma. If left untreated, it can lead to death.
Hallucinations, confusion, and seizure.
Prolonged bleeding after operations or post-trauma for up to 10 days after last aspirin.
Aspirin can interact with some other drugs, such as diabetes medication. Aspirin changes the way the body handles these drugs and can lead to a drug overdose and death.

[volinbham]

I'll let Peter Tosh express my opinion on the matter...

YouTube - Legalize It-Peter Tosh

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by tim

Most of you are clueless. How can you judge an ongoing war on anything. The word "war" was a poor choice. I would consider it an effort and the cause is good. Nothing good comes out of any drug use. Have any of you been paying attention to what goes on in these countries with liberal lines of thinkin? Drug use, yes even MJ, is the root crime for about 90% of all crime. And you say legalize it? For everyone of you who say MJ is harmless, I'll show you some pics of 5 teenagers dead on the side of the road. And for you who say Alcohol is worse, I'll ask.. How do you know?

And for the person who said it, MJ does not carry the same penalties as Heroin.

You're clueless. Drugs are not the root of crimes and bad decision making.

[vader]

Originally Posted by tim

And for you who say Alcohol is worse, I'll ask.. How do you know?

Extensive rigorous testing.

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

Originally Posted by KB5252

I agree, still think it is better than letting these drugs take their toll unimpeded.

Another angle is that if we legalize heroine we simply add to the market and give our enemies more means to fight us with (poppy Afghanistan).

i agree it shouldnt run rampent, that would just get way bad, it would be as or more rampent then alcoholism.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by vader

Extensive rigorous testing.

It all depends on how much of each gets used. Alcohol in small amounts can be beneficial. Use too much of it and it causes serious health concerns.

Marijuana used in small amounts shouldn't cause any health concerns. Use too much and it does lead to lung disease, not too mention infections of the lungs especially during the winter season.

[vader]

Originally Posted by KB5252

It all depends on how much of each gets used. Alcohol in small amounts can be beneficial. Use too much of it and it causes serious health concerns.

Marijuana used in small amounts shouldn't cause any health concerns. Use too much and it does lead to lung disease, not too mention infections of the lungs especially during the winter season.

I was being flippant, but you make very valid points.

[oklavol]

They might as well be legal, the only person harmed is the person using, and that was their choice, however flawed. If people want to use drugs, they will regardless if they are legal or not, the govt has proven that.

[dantheman617]

Anyone who thinks MJ kills or is worse than alcohol is a complete moron. I would say those people have never used it, or have little knowledge about it. It is not addicting and it does not kill. I work 2 jobs and go to school. Not saying everyone should do it, but if cigarettes and alcohol is legal, weed should be also. How many people have died to complications from cigarette use? How many for MJ? What about alcohol? I have never never never heard of MJ splitting up a home or people losing the morgage on their house. I have never heard of someone smoking themselves to death cause they overdosed on MJ...cause you cannot. 80 million americans say they smoke weed. A good website to view this is Norml.org

[rjd970]

Originally Posted by dantheman617

Not saying everyone should do it, but if cigarettes and alcohol is legal, weed should be also.

This is really it. This is all that needs to be said in this debate.

Point. Set. Match.

[dantheman617]

Exactly. Hell, let the goverment tax it also. I dont care. Works well in Amsterdam. The goverment limits how much a "coffee shop" can sell. They can sell up to 500g per day. They could also limit it to adults just like they do with cigarettes. With MJ, it is easier for a 15yr old to get it than cigarettes...at least around here.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by oklavol

They might as well be legal, the only person harmed is the person using, and that was their choice, however flawed. If people want to use drugs, they will regardless if they are legal or not, the govt has proven that.

Are you serious? The only person harmed is the drug user? What about their children, spouses, parents, the people they steal from to get drug money, the people killed over turf wars by drug dealers and users?


How has the government proved anything of the sort? I wasn't aware that drugs were made legal and it had been shown that enforcement was less effective than actually letting them be made available everywhere, anytime.