The War on Drugs has Failed

[dantheman617]

Originally Posted by KB5252

The same cartels that smuggle weed also smuggle cocaine and meth. it would put a small dent in it for a while but they would simply put more resources into other drugs. Weed is a higher risk for them because you have to smuggle large amounts for the same reward compared to say cocaine where the profit to risk ratio is higher because you can smuggle smaller quantities and get greater return.

Meth is their newest venture (been going on for quite some time now) it is cheap but easier to smuggle than weed which is very bulky.

And it smells to high heaven. I understand most of them do more than just sell weed. At the same time, I know plenty of people that sell weed and only weed. Just dont tell anyone that What it would eliminate is fools doing things like this.....VDARE.com: 11/13/08 - Mexican Gangsters Converting America's National Parks Into Gigantic Marijuana Patches

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by therealUT

Legalize all of it. As a concerned citizen, use your own money to try to educate people as to the dangers of using such drugs. However, do not coerce them through the use of government enforcement.


I would venture to guess that most crystal meth that is consumed in the US is produced in the US.

The large operations here in America never last too long. No doubt you are right about most being of American origin. Still there is a lot of money fir their risk otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

From what I know from a family source who works in enforcement on the border the Mexican sources are readily available and don't suffer from disruptions in production like those in America do.

The gangs that control the bulk of the meth trade here in America (biker gangs mostly Hells Angels, Outlaws etc) are getting most of their product from Mexican sources.

I could see legalizing weed but meth, cocaine and heroin have a very nasty habit of destroying people, the less readily available they are the better for society.

[dantheman617]

Originally Posted by KB5252

The large operations here in America never last too long. No doubt you are right about most being of American origin. Still there is a lot of money fir their risk otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

From what I know from a family source who works in enforcement on the border the Mexican sources are readily available and don't suffer from disruptions in production like those in America do.

The gangs that control the bulk of the meth trade here in America (biker gangs mostly Hells Angels, Outlaws etc) are getting most of their product from Mexican sources.

I could see legalizing weed but meth, cocaine and heroin have a very nasty habit of destroying people, the less readily available they are the better for society.

Exactly my thought. Weed doesn't kill anyone or destroy families.

[doozer]

Originally Posted by KB5252

The large operations here in America never last too long. No doubt you are right about most being of American origin. Still there is a lot of money fir their risk otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

From what I know from a family source who works in enforcement on the border the Mexican sources are readily available and don't suffer from disruptions in production like those in America do.

The gangs that control the bulk of the meth trade here in America (biker gangs mostly Hells Angels, Outlaws etc) are getting most of their product from Mexican sources.

I could see legalizing weed but meth, cocaine and heroin have a very nasty habit of destroying people, the less readily available they are the better for society.

this is correct.

most people who make meth inside the US do so for their own personal use.

the only difference between meth, and say, your average homemade casserole is that you cook meth with highly toxic chemicals. within an hour you can cook meth. most labs get busted up because people blow themselves up, their house up, or just desingrate into such worthless human beings that they die or wind up in jail.

the production factories in Mexico are high tech operations.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by doozer

this is correct.

most people who make meth inside the US do so for their own personal use.

the only difference between meth, and say, your average homemade casserole is that you cook meth with highly toxic chemicals. within an hour you can cook meth. most labs get busted up because people blow themselves up, their house up, or just desingrate into such worthless human beings that they die or wind up in jail.

the production factories in Mexico are high tech operations.

And make money by selling to those in their close personal circles.

[utvolpj]

Originally Posted by KB5252

I could see legalizing weed but meth, cocaine and heroin have a very nasty habit of destroying people, the less readily available they are the better for society.

why is it the govt's responsibility to keep people from destroying themselves? I'm starting to get to the point where I'd just let them do it and save the bucks

[doozer]

Originally Posted by KB5252

And make money by selling to those in their close personal circles.

yep. chances are they're so far into it by then, and meth is so easy to make, that cooking your own seems like a no brainer.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by utvolpj

why is it the govt's responsibility to keep people from destroying themselves? I'm starting to get to the point where I'd just let them do it and save the bucks

I see your point but unfortunately those that use are not the only ones devastated by the drugs. Those drugs in general have a very negative effect on our communities both economically and socially.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by doozer

yep. chances are they're so far into it by then, and meth is so easy to make, that cooking your own seems like a no brainer.

I watched a very attractive young girl waste away. I used to see her at the local football games, then you would see less of her. I knew her family and would see her every now and then at the gas station or grocery store. The last time i saw her she was in her car at the gas station and was so wasted she couldn't sit still, was making the most insane facial gestures and couldn't even speak. I'm not sure she even knew who I was.

The last time I talked to her aunt she hasn't been seen in over six months and her 14 year old brother was now addicted and had run away from 3 or 4 detox facilities.

Bottom line is these drugs are bad news and should be fought against.

[rjd970]

The marijuana laws are ridiculous. I don't see any point is locking people up as hard criminals for buying, growing, selling, and using what is, in fact, a naturally occuring plant. I don't smoke it, but I see no problem with somebody doing it in the privacy of their own home. If cigarettes and liquor are legal, this should be to.

I can see the point of some of the harder stuff being illegal.

[dantheman617]

Originally Posted by utvolpj

why is it the govt's responsibility to keep people from destroying themselves? I'm starting to get to the point where I'd just let them do it and save the bucks

Cause the gvt will still end up spending money when those fools need medical attention, firefighters when they blow their house down, police when they get shot, etc

IN a ideal world, then yes

[utvolpj]

Originally Posted by dantheman617

Cause the gvt will still end up spending money when those fools need medical attention, firefighters when they blow their house down, police when they get shot, etc

IN a ideal world, then yes

my point is about the billions of dollars spent to "fight" these drugs that could go elsewhere (or just not be collected). The WoD is a cash cow for the gov't and that's why they will fight for it until the end of the US.

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

war on drugs=fight against human nature... plain and simple, that and if the war was "won" it would put a lot of people out of jobs....

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by utvolpj

my point is about the billions of dollars spent to "fight" these drugs that could go elsewhere (or just not be collected). The WoD is a cash cow for the gov't and that's why they will fight for it until the end of the US.

I agree there is no compelling argument on our current course of fighting the war on weed.

It seems to me though that letting heroine, cocaine, meth, etc become legal would still have a cost to this country on par with what we spend on the war against them. Then you add in the toll it takes on people, their families, ets that can't be counted in monetary terms the damage would be much more severe.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by GASOUTHERNVOL

war on drugs=fight against human nature... plain and simple, that and if the war was "won" it would put a lot of people out of jobs....

I agree, still think it is better than letting these drugs take their toll unimpeded.

Another angle is that if we legalize heroine we simply add to the market and give our enemies more means to fight us with (poppy Afghanistan).