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12-04-2008, 04:21 PM
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12-04-2008, 04:35 PM
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| This is the only one you need. Patton: A Genius for War
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12-04-2008, 07:51 PM
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| I've often wondered about this. My grandfather, a paratrooper with no love lost for 'Tank Generals' was also one who thought that Patton's end was suspicious, as he was pretty outspoken about the Soviets and their designs.
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12-05-2008, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JTrainDavis  I've often wondered about this. My grandfather, a paratrooper with no love lost for 'Tank Generals' was also one who thought that Patton's end was suspicious, as he was pretty outspoken about the Soviets and their designs. | You might be interested in this book.
Not much doubt in my mind that Patton was assassinated.
I once asked a very nice gentleman who was deeply involved in sub rosa activities during WWII and all he would say is that "Patton wasn't a team player." | |
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12-05-2008, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gsvol You might be interested in this book.
Not much doubt in my mind that Patton was assassinated.
I once asked a very nice gentleman who was deeply involved in sub rosa activities during WWII and all he would say is that "Patton wasn't a team player." | And that's what made him so brilliant in wartime, but a huge liability in peacetime. | |
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12-05-2008, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DC Vol And that's what made him so brilliant in wartime, but a huge liability in peacetime. | True, great battle commanders rarely excel at much else.
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12-05-2008, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JTrainDavis True, great battle commanders rarely excel at much else. | There are quite a few who would disagree with that. | 
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12-06-2008, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MontereyVol There are quite a few who would disagree with that. | I figured that was going to come along sooner or later, but i meant it in the sense of the zest for warfare and leadership shown by guys like GSP, Gavin, Puller, and many from prior generations.
Those i mentioned were the last of a breed, as far as the upper echelons of command went. Boots on the ground guys who weren't politically aware, they were combat leaders first and politicians second.
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12-06-2008, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JTrainDavis I figured that was going to come along sooner or later, but i meant it in the sense of the zest for warfare and leadership shown by guys like GSP, Gavin, Puller, and many from prior generations.
Those i mentioned were the last of a breed, as far as the upper echelons of command went. Boots on the ground guys who weren't politically aware, they were combat leaders first and politicians second. | i fear the next war against against an equal opponent will defeat us. i think we've become so PC that it will cause the loss of tens of thousands American soldiers. i don't think we have the generals to stand up to politicians like it was in past wars. | |
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12-06-2008, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by joevol320 i fear the next war against against an equal opponent will defeat us. i think we've become so PC that it will cause the loss of tens of thousands American soldiers. i don't think we have the generals to stand up to politicians like it was in past wars. | Standing up gets your booted out. MacArthur was a rarity in that he got the final word. In the end, he was still shown the door. | |
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12-08-2008, 02:59 PM
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| It was Bradley's idea....
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12-08-2008, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire It was Bradley's idea.... | What was Omar's idea????
Surely you jest.
More likely it would have been Pancho Villa. | |
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12-08-2008, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gsvol What was Omar's idea????
Surely you jest.
More likely it would have been Pancho Villa. | Omar with the blessing of Marshall. 
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12-08-2008, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by joevol320 i fear the next war against against an equal opponent will defeat us. i think we've become so PC that it will cause the loss of tens of thousands American soldiers. i don't think we have the generals to stand up to politicians like it was in past wars. | incorrect. Total war leads to the demise of the politicians and the rise of the warriors. | |
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12-09-2008, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire Omar with the blessing of Marshall. | Stalin with the blessing of Roosevelt is more like it.
I wouldn't have any problem believing George Marshall had a hand in the assassination of Patten.
I doubt that Omar Bradley was involved in that though.
To impugn the integrity of Marshall and Truman is to bring into question the motives and thinking of Eisenhower as well and that sort of puts you in the same category as Joe McCarthy and we know the fate of the last two senators who supported McCarthy, John and Robert Kennedy, do we not?? (not to mention congressman MacDonald and his quest for an audit of the Federal Reserve.)
Where do you stand in the 'greatest thread'?? (other than for censorship and suppression of the truth??) | |
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