Federal sales tax?

[SavageOrangeJug]

If the Democrats have power. How long before they try to institute one? They are going to need trillion$ for their handout programs. They have to raise it somehow.

I set the over/under at one year.

[dan4vols]

Dems could just ramp down Dubya's war to special forces unit actions to about 10 % of the manpower and equipment in the region now and get more results, then the handouts to the inner city baby factories would be a lateral move.

[MG1968]

Originally Posted by dan4vols

Dems could just ramp down Dubya's war to special forces unit actions to about 10 % of the manpower and equipment in the region now and get more results, then the handouts to the inner city baby factories would be a lateral move.

the big problem with that is the fact that we're borrowing to pay for the war already. Wars and the spending for them are temporary. The last thing the US needs is 10 billion/month in borrowed money dumped into Obama's "bottom up" economic model.

[Sabanocchio]

Originally Posted by SavageOrangeJug

If the Democrats have power. How long before they try to institute one? They are going to need trillion$ for their handout programs. They have to raise it somehow.

I set the over/under at one year.

What handout programs? And no one in their right mind would institute a federal income tax in a time of economic slump. It would be political suicide.

[SavageOrangeJug]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

What handout programs? And no one in their right mind would institute a federal income tax in a time of economic slump. It would be political suicide.

Hello????

Obama point stated he was going to raise income taxes. You're right. No one in their right mind....

[Sabanocchio]

Which is why I don't think it will ever happen. I'm no economic expert, but I think raising taxes even rolling them back to the level that they were at the 10 years prior to 2003 would be a bad idea.

I'm still waiting for an example of these handout programs you refer to.

[SavageOrangeJug]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

Which is why I don't think it will ever happen. I'm no economic expert, but I think raising taxes even rolling them back to the level that they were at the 10 years prior to 2003 would be a bad idea.

I'm still waiting for an example of these handout programs you refer to.

Let's start with Obama wanting to double foreign aid. Hillary asked him in one of the early debates. How did he plan to pay for it?

He still hasn't answered.

His universal health care plan is nothing more than a handout.

His "spread the wealth, bottom up economics", is nothing more than more welfare.

His whole campaign platform has been based on promised handouts. Where have you been?

[Sabanocchio]

Originally Posted by SavageOrangeJug

Let's start with Obama wanting to double foreign aid. Hillary asked him in one of the early debates. How did he plane to pay for it?

He still hasn't answered.

His universal health care plane is nothing more than a handout.

His "spread the wealth, bottom up economics", is nothing more than more welfare.

His whole campaign platform has been based on promised handouts. Where have you been?

Apparently watching a different campaign than you were.

To begin with. The money we save by ending the war in Iraq will pay for 10X the cost of Obama's proposed increase of foreign aid.

The Congressional Budget Office has stated that "implementing S. 2433 would cost less than $1 million per year....

Look up S. 2433 for information regarding what this plan will do in regards to reducing global poverty. This bill is cosponsored by Chuck Hagel.


His healthcare program is the furthest thing from a handout. Do some research. One of the main principles of his plan is to reduce healthcare cost through research, prevention, and coordination.

Barack Obama and JoeBiden will invest $10 billion a year over the next five years to move the U.S. health care system to broad adoption of standards-based electronic health information systems, including electronic health records.

A study by the Rand Corporation found that if most
hospitals and doctors offices adopted electronic health records, up to $77 billion of savings would be realized
each year through improvements such as reduced hospital stays, avoidance of duplicative and unnecessary
testing, more appropriate drug utilization, and other efficiencies.

Read more about it http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issue...reFullPlan.pdfPlease. Before you make any more errors in referring to it as a handout program which it is not on any level.

Everything else you have stated is just BS conservative rhetoric that you can not prove true, thus it requires no response from me.

Do the research I have mentioned and then get back to me on how these programs are "handouts".

[MontereyVol]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

To begin with. The money we save by ending the war in Iraq will pay for 10X the cost of Obama's proposed increase of foreign aid.

Again, Money paying for the Iraq war is not coming from revenue, its borrowed. If we quit putting money into Iraq today we would not be making a dime more. We would be borrowing less.

[therealUT]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

To begin with. The money we save by ending the war in Iraq will pay for 10X the cost of Obama's proposed increase of foreign aid.

This ill-researched and completely ignorant statement displays a lack of historical understanding of power vacuums and power struggles in the regions of the world where most of our USAID efforts are concentrated. You would do well limit yourself to well thought out arguments in the future, constrained to topics and subjects you actually have a firm grasp of. This one, you most obviously do not.

[SavageOrangeJug]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

Apparently watching a different campaign than you were.

To begin with. The money we save by ending the war in Iraq will pay for 10X the cost of Obama's proposed increase of foreign aid.
Look up S. 2433 for information regarding what this plan will do in regards to reducing global poverty. This bill is cosponsored by Chuck Hagel.


His healthcare program is the furthest thing from a handout. Do some research. One of the main principles of his plan is to reduce healthcare cost through research, prevention, and coordination.

Read more about it http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issue...reFullPlan.pdfPlease. Before you make any more errors in referring to it as a handout program which it is not on any level.

Everything else you have stated is just BS conservative rhetoric that you can not prove true, thus it requires no response from me.

Do the research I have mentioned and then get back to me on how these programs are "handouts".

Let put it in simple English.

Your socialist boy has made a campaign of promised handouts.

You call it conservative BS? Your source? BarackObama.com is your source? Now, who is believing propaganda, me or you. You might as well cite Pravda as a souce.

Sabs, pull your head out Lil' Hussein's ass long enough to read a few unbiased sources, then get back to me.

[Sabanocchio]

Originally Posted by therealUT

This ill-researched and completely ignorant statement displays a lack of historical understanding of power vacuums and power struggles in the regions of the world where most of our USAID efforts are concentrated. You would do well limit yourself to well thought out arguments in the future, constrained to topics and subjects you actually have a firm grasp of. This one, you most obviously do not.

How so? Enlighten me with your superior wisdom. I'm no expert, I admit. But I have a firm grasp on what is going on currently, the state of the pseudo-government that is currently in place, and the constantness that is the battle between the Shiites and the Shunis. That is going to be elevated when we leave and one or the other will take over power. That's going to happen whether we leave now, or in 10 years. McCain can't stop confusing the two for god's sake. He thinks Reagan never negotiated with Iran!

My question to you, is why should we provide stability to Iraq? The two groups loathe each other and have fundamental religious differences that will NEVER be resolved. They will always hate each other and they will ALWAYS be at war.

The Sunnis are not going to support this government when we leave. No matter when it is. They are just biding their time until we leave.

Tell me something I don't know. Educate me as to why we have any business spending any more time in Iraq.

[therealUT]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

How so? Enlighten me with your superior wisdom. I'm no expert, I admit. But I have a firm grasp on what is going on currently, the state of the pseudo-government that is currently in place, and the constantness that is the battle between the Shiites and the Shunis. That is going to be elevated when we leave and one or the other will take over power. That's going to happen whether we leave now, or in 10 years. McCain can't stop confusing the two for god's sake. He thinks Reagan never negotiated with Iran!

You have absolutely no idea how exhausted 95% of all Iraqis are with the violence they have had to deal with over the past five years. Both Shia and Sunni want stabilization desperately and, as long as US policy makers will continue to provide security throughout the process, are willing to make concessions and compromise, on both sides. The major ethnic rift that will develop pertains to the Kurds, not the Sunni or Shia in and around Baghdad.

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

My question to you, is why should we provide stability to Iraq? The two groups loathe each other and have fundamental religious differences that will NEVER be resolved. They will always hate each other and they will ALWAYS be at war.

They most certainly have not always hated each other. Sunni and Shia Muslims have come together and formed alliances numerous times throughout history, including as recently as banding together in the 1980s to push the Soviets out of Afghanistan.

The current Sunni-Shia hostilities in Iraq (and, by current I mean to say those that were inflamed from 2004-2007) are relatively isolated events in history. This is not the Hutu-Tutsi blood lust hatred of Rwanda. This is Catholic-Protestant power grabs from the Late Middle Ages through the Enlightenment. Large scale violence is the exception, not the rule. They may not hold fond views and stereotypes of each other, however, they are not about to being any series of pogroms or final solutions, either.

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

The Sunnis are not going to support this government when we leave. No matter when it is. They are just biding their time until we leave.

They most certainly will if we provide enough stability in order to provide the correct structure and proper changes to the current legislation, once the Sunni participate in the government.

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

Tell me something I don't know. Educate me as to why we have any business spending any more time in Iraq.

It is quite necessary that we stay in Iraq and provide the proper training to the ISF and then conduct the proper RIP with them. Anything less than that and we might as well send out invitations to foreign fighters (the majority of the agitators in Iraq since 2004) to come back en masse.

I answered this post, however, the post you replied to was concerned more about the costs associated with providing USAID properly to the world. I apologize if I did not make myself clear.

[joevol320]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

What handout programs? And no one in their right mind would institute a federal income tax in a time of economic slump. It would be political suicide.

if Americans are stupid enough to elect obama. then they'll be stupid enough to accept a federal sales tax. with pelosi and reid, we'll have plenty of taxes raised by end of 2009.

[BigPapaVol]

did I see some silliness about spnding 10 billion for 5 years to reduce healthcare costs by 25%. That's just stupidity.

About 4.2 million people have debunked this lie. Do just a teensy bit of looking.
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