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09-05-2008, 09:42 AM
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| The whole welfare sysytem is a very touchy subject for me I refrain from going too deep into all of my opinions on it just because of the mood I get in because of it.... | 
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09-05-2008, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ANTI-DAWG  The whole welfare sysytem is a very touchy subject for me I refrain from going too deep into all of my opinions on it just because of the mood I get in because of it.... |
I agree. I must say that it really saddens me to see a couple of parents so hell bent on riding the system that they are in effect raising the next generation of free-loaders as opposed to instilling values in their children. Get a job people!! They are everywhere!!!! | |
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09-05-2008, 10:00 AM
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| | doo doo doo
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Originally Posted by TennNC yes - a great line. right down the middle of the republican platform, which is all about the greater good - you know, universal health care, public education, welfare, etc.
| It is about the greater good - just a different way of getting there. 
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09-05-2008, 01:03 PM
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| | Now a Papa
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Originally Posted by TennNC "Because nothing brings greater happiness in life than to serve a cause greater than yourself."
That speech had tons of wonderful lines, delivered eloquently and passionately, but I think this was the best. | I definitely disagree with McCain on this one. Happiness comes when you realize the greatest cause in your life is yourself. The more people do this the better off the country will be. | |
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09-05-2008, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jcwvolfan I definitely disagree with McCain on this one. Happiness comes when you realize the greatest cause in your life is yourself. The more people do this the better off the country will be. | How do you figure that is going to help? | |
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09-05-2008, 05:23 PM
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| | Wave yo hands in the aiya
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Originally Posted by kptvol How do you figure that is going to help? | he's going to say the words constitution and freedom over and over. | |
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09-05-2008, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by volinbham It is about the greater good - just a different way of getting there. | wait - are you about the greater good? How about you, BPV? How about OE? I seem to remember a rather lengthy discussion awhile back about how the greater good was evil, or something to that extent.
So what do you think about McCain trying to claim this ground? Desperate plea for independent votes, or is he really a Democrat? B/c I tell you what, the Republican Party I know, the ones some of my friends and family members vote for, certainly doesn't care about the greater good in the context of government. | |
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09-05-2008, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol he's going to say the words constitution and freedom over and over. | is he masquerading as OE? | |
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09-05-2008, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TennNC is he masquerading as OE? | see the other post he started. | |
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09-05-2008, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TennNC wait - are you about the greater good? How about you, BPV? How about OE? I seem to remember a rather lengthy discussion awhile back about how the greater good was evil, or something to that extent.
So what do you think about McCain trying to claim this ground? Desperate plea for independent votes, or is he really a Democrat? B/c I tell you what, the Republican Party I know, the ones some of my friends and family members vote for, certainly doesn't care about the greater good in the context of government. | You clearly didn't understand that discussion then. I don't think anyone views the greater good as evil.
The context of government cannot be removed - the conservative view centers (or at least my understanding) on the notion that the greater good is best pursued by individuals -- it isn't delivered by the government. I think the line by Huckabee hints at the idea. "I'm not a Republican because I was born rich. I'm a Republican because I didn't want to wait around for the government to save me."
Welfare for example is a well-intentioned but destructive force IMHO. In my view is has been a net negative with regard to the greater good. For those it helped, there are more it hurt.
If you believe Republicans don't care about the less fortunate or the greater good, you are misinformed on Republican ideology.
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09-06-2008, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TennNC yes - a great line. right down the middle of the republican platform, which is all about the greater good - you know, universal health care, public education, welfare, etc.
btw, Tom Ridge just called McCain "John Bush." | What most libs fail to realize is that what he said was for everyone.. It's not just great to serve a cause greater than yourself to a certain section of the population, it was meant for everyone. In other words help me help you, help you. | |
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09-06-2008, 04:36 PM
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| besides, "greater good" is different than "collective good"
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09-08-2008, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TennNC "Because nothing brings greater happiness in life than to serve a cause greater than yourself."
That speech had tons of wonderful lines, delivered eloquently and passionately, but I think this was the best. | Does that make your blood boil? 
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