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08-12-2008, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by allvol123  Oh, it is a campaign consisting of the lesser of two evils. But there are distinct differences between the two, I don't see the trouble in making a decision between the two. | You probably don't see the problems involved in a lot of things. | 
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08-12-2008, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MontereyVol I am the undecided voter.
McCains talking tough and having nothing to back it up. When you are dealing with Russia, and I stress Russia, you dont make empty threats.
Obamas stance, while weak, wouldn't goad Russia into proving itself unafraid. | Those in control in Russia are very experienced men who know the consequences of their actions. I doubt any statements given by presidential candidates are going to escalate any tensions we might have with them.
However a weak response like Obama's will certainly give them the impression that he as a president would be slow to react if he were to be sworn in. When dealing with a nation of power you have to be quick to react (but not overly aggressive) and be clear on your intentions.
I do believe that Obama's most recent statements are in line with the above, he was just a little slower to get there.
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08-12-2008, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by KB5252 Those in control in Russia are very experienced men who know the consequences of their actions. I doubt any statements given by presidential candidates are going to escalate any tensions we might have with them. | They most definitely would use it for an excuse Quote:
Originally Posted by KB5252 However a weak response like Obama's will certainly give them the impression that he as a president would be slow to react if he were to be sworn in. When dealing with a nation of power you have to be quick to react (but not overly aggressive) and be clear on your intentions. | Which is a more troubling aspect for Russia? An America thats talking tough and no back-up or friends or an America thats uniting the world resolve and can make for an economic nightmare. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MontereyVol You probably don't see the problems involved in a lot of things. | You are probably right, perhaps you can tudor me? You've done such an eloquent job of it in this thread so far.
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08-12-2008, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by allvol123 Oh, it is a campaign consisting of the lesser of two evils. But there are distinct differences between the two, I don't see the trouble in making a decision between the two. | Well then I guess thats it. No independent thought neccesary, its an easy choice for you, the rest of us must be stupid. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MontereyVol Well then I guess thats it. No independent thought neccesary, its an easy choice for you, the rest of us must be stupid. | If you prefer to claim yourself as stupid, I'l not stop you. I however, never made such a reference. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:46 AM
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| I do find it interesting though, how many of the "undecided voters" get real defensive about Obama. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MontereyVol Well then I guess thats it. No independent thought neccesary, its an easy choice for you, the rest of us must be stupid. | What do you expect? If it's not a glowing endorsement of Republican party propaganda it's a critism magnet. Most of the threads in politics are just shamless propaganda scripts, kinda like a Mark Levine show. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dan4vols What do you expect? If it's not a glowing endorsement of Republican party propaganda it's a critism magnet. Most of the threads in politics are just shamless propaganda scripts, kinda like a Mark Levine show. | Nice, coming from the "wrecked economy" guy. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MontereyVol They most definitely would use it for an excuse
If they were to use that as an excuse it is inevitable and they would simply find another excuse. Bottom line it would still happen.
Which is a more troubling aspect for Russia? An America thats talking tough and no back-up or friends or an America thats uniting the world resolve and can make for an economic nightmare. | The first step after talking tough is economic sanctions. The oldest policy in the book. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dan4vols What do you expect? If it's not a glowing endorsement of Republican party propaganda it's a critism magnet. Most of the threads in politics are just shamless propaganda scripts, kinda like a Mark Levine show. | Quote:
Originally Posted by allvol123 Nice, coming from the "wrecked economy" guy. | 
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08-12-2008, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dan4vols What do you expect? If it's not a glowing endorsement of Republican party propaganda it's a critism magnet. Most of the threads in politics are just shamless propaganda scripts, kinda like a Mark Levine show. | So you are admitting there is propaganda flying from both directions? If so I will agree with that. Welcome to US politics. What would be really refreshing is a viable candidate who was conservative fiscally, while a little more liberal on social issues. Hell if they promised to shrink government by 15% I'd be happy. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by allvol123 You are probably right, perhaps you can tudor me? You've done such an eloquent job of it in this thread so far. | Quote:
Originally Posted by allvol123 If you prefer to claim yourself as stupid, I'l not stop you. I however, never made such a reference. | No but you imply it. I guess I am more direct, thanks to BPV. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by KB5252 The first step after talking tough is economic sanctions. The oldest policy in the book. | The problem with McCains approach, or some here might say isn't a problem, is that he won't find many friends outside of the US to stand with him if he talks beyond his abilities. The US will need many others to make the sanctions work. | |
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08-12-2008, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MontereyVol No but you imply it. I guess I am more direct, thanks to BPV. | There was no implication of you being stupid there. There was a bit of sarcasm offered up after you first made a more specific implication of me being that. However, since you failed to see that, it may be appropriate for you to wear the hat which you have offered to place on yourself. | |
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