Tony Snow Dies

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by TennNC

I'm sure Rathergate will be a prominent piece in his obit, whenever that day comes.

Would you consider Snow's and Rather's missteps comparable?

[volsforever27]

Originally Posted by TennNC

Well, you might be saying that it's inappropriate to point out someone's shortcomings after they pass away, and I understand that. But even Snow acknowledged he made factual errors as press secretary that even he had to go back and correct - it was just part of the way people viewed him, reporters especially. Obits typically favor the positive, but newspapers have a duty to try to be somewhat objective in them as well. Otherwise they'd be eulogies.

BS. He didn't study the daily briefings as much as some would had liked, but the guy knew what he was talking about, and was good at his job. It was just another typical liberal piece. I would call it a subtle little dig, but it wasn't even subtle.

[MG1968]

Originally Posted by TennNC

Well, you might be saying that it's inappropriate to point out someone's shortcomings after they pass away, and I understand that. But even Snow acknowledged he made factual errors as press secretary that even he had to go back and correct - it was just part of the way people viewed him, reporters especially. Obits typically favor the positive, but newspapers have a duty to try to be somewhat objective in them as well. Otherwise they'd be eulogies.

compare the AP's obit of Tony Snow to their treatment of Tim Russert then come back with your line about pointing out someone's shortcomings.

[TennNC]

Originally Posted by MG1968

compare the AP's obit of Tony Snow to their treatment of Tim Russert then come back with your line about pointing out someone's shortcomings.

Sorry, I don't remember reading the AP's obit for TR. Can you point me to it? And which of Tim Russert's shortcomings as it relates to his profession do you think were omitted?

[TennNC]

Originally Posted by KB5252

Would you consider Snow's and Rather's missteps comparable?

I'm certainly not one to make the call, but I'll take a shot at it:

They both had factual errors (e.g. - what Bush said in front of the Mission Accomplished banner, saying Obama had voted "present" 160 times in the US Senate when he hadn't voted "present" even once - even though that came after his WH job; Rather messing up W's nat'l guard record), and both errors were in relation to the president. It's both of their jobs to "report" the facts. Now, Snow has a right to present it in terms of the WH's view, of course, and Rather needs to just present the facts and be as objective as possible.

That said, I think Rather's were more damaging and egregious. I don't think Snow intentionally got some things wrong - I don't know, maybe bc he had more fun with the Press Secy position he took more liberties with how briefings were covered, but he still should have the facts straight.

Rather took a risky move, and it cost him his job. Snow could fudge it a bit, as long as it was in the best interest of the president and the administration.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by TennNC

I'm certainly not one to make the call, but I'll take a shot at it:

They both had factual errors (e.g. - what Bush said in front of the Mission Accomplished banner, saying Obama had voted "present" 160 times in the US Senate when he hadn't voted "present" even once - even though that came after his WH job; Rather messing up W's nat'l guard record), and both errors were in relation to the president. It's both of their jobs to "report" the facts. Now, Snow has a right to present it in terms of the WH's view, of course, and Rather needs to just present the facts and be as objective as possible.

That said, I think Rather's were more damaging and egregious. I don't think Snow intentionally got some things wrong - I don't know, maybe bc he had more fun with the Press Secy position he took more liberties with how briefings were covered, but he still should have the facts straight.

Rather took a risky move, and it cost him his job. Snow could fudge it a bit, as long as it was in the best interest of the president and the administration.

We are on the same page. Rather ran with it even after questions were raised about it's authenticity. Snow was just doing his job fielding questions and answering from talking points but mostly from recall. Bottom line one was a researched piece, Snow's were more off the cuff due to his nature.

[MG1968]

Originally Posted by TennNC

Sorry, I don't remember reading the AP's obit for TR. Can you point me to it? And which of Tim Russert's shortcomings as it relates to his profession do you think were omitted?

NBC's Tim Russert dies at 58 of heart attack - Yahoo! News

Apparently, Russert had no shortcomings.

[TennNC]

Originally Posted by MG1968

NBC's Tim Russert dies at 58 of heart attack - Yahoo! News

Apparently, Russert had no shortcomings.

Which of his professional shortcomings did they overlook?

[OrangeEmpire]

This crap is so old, if you are right of center you should burn in hell because you are scum of the earth and if you are left of center you should be praised because you crap doesn't stink!

I hold out faith people will wake up and not take this crap any more!

[Chemvol]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

This crap is so old, if you are right of center you should burn in hell because you are scum of the earth and if you are left of center you should be praised because you crap doesn't stink!

I hold out faith people will wake up and not take this crap any more!

Unfortunately, I don't think that generation has been born yet.

[TennNC]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

This crap is so old, if you are right of center you should burn in hell because you are scum of the earth and if you are left of center you should be praised because you crap doesn't stink!

I hold out faith people will wake up and not take this crap any more!

This is BS and you know it. According to whom? Are you telling me people on the right don't turn down their noses at people on the left? It works both ways - and yes, in the "media" as well.

To say that AP obit was a serious, unfair dig at Snow is a major stretch at best - it was a footnote in an otherwise positive account of a man who spent the latter portion of his career in a position that is at least somewhat controversial and one-sided by nature (he was a GOP party guy who represented the president). And the obit probably was written by a reporter who witnessed a lot of his actions face-to-face. If you think it was horrible, then ban AP and stick to sources that tell you what you want to hear.

I think we all need to get over our indignation that whoever doesn't agree with us is our arch enemy who's out to get us.

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by TennNC

This is BS and you know it. According to whom? Are you telling me people on the right don't turn down their noses at people on the left? It works both ways - and yes, in the "media" as well.

To say that AP obit was a serious, unfair dig at Snow is a major stretch at best - it was a footnote in an otherwise positive account of a man who spent the latter portion of his career in a position that is at least somewhat controversial and one-sided by nature (he was a GOP party guy who represented the president). And the obit probably was written by a reporter who witnessed a lot of his actions face-to-face. If you think it was horrible, then ban AP and stick to sources that tell you what you want to hear.

I think we all need to get over our indignation that whoever doesn't agree with us is our arch enemy who's out to get us.

Where have you been?

Both sides are scum buckets!

Be fair with Snow and Russert.......... Why does Russert walk on water? Cause he didn't work for Bush?

[volsforever27]

Originally Posted by TennNC

This is BS and you know it. According to whom? Are you telling me people on the right don't turn down their noses at people on the left? It works both ways - and yes, in the "media" as well.

To say that AP obit was a serious, unfair dig at Snow is a major stretch at best - it was a footnote in an otherwise positive account of a man who spent the latter portion of his career in a position that is at least somewhat controversial and one-sided by nature (he was a GOP party guy who represented the president). And the obit probably was written by a reporter who witnessed a lot of his actions face-to-face. If you think it was horrible, then ban AP and stick to sources that tell you what you want to hear.

I think we all need to get over our indignation that whoever doesn't agree with us is our arch enemy who's out to get us.

Saying he screwed up isn't a footnote, it's a parting shot. That's the BS. It all goes back to the lib bias that the media has, but I'm sure I'm just being dramatic.

[TennNC]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

Where have you been?

Both sides are scum buckets!

Be fair with Snow and Russert.......... Why does Russert walk on water? Cause he didn't work for Bush?

Where did I say Russert walked on water?

I asked for those lambasting the obit writers for being unfair to please point out what shortcoming in TR's profession they omitted. I have yet to receive an answer.

[TennNC]

Originally Posted by volsforever27

Saying he screwed up isn't a footnote, it's a parting shot. That's the BS. It all goes back to the lib bias that the media has, but I'm sure I'm just being dramatic.

It sounds to me like you are. And perhaps too defensive.

Here's the quote you quoted:

"With a 1) quick-from-the-lip repartee, 2) broadcaster's good looks and a 3) relentlessly bright outlook - 4) if not always a command of the facts - 5) he became a popular figure around the country 6) to the delight of his White House bosses."

In this quote, which you and others deem as an example of the liberal media giving a conservative figure a parting shot and saying he "screwed up," you have 6 points, 5 of which are overwhelmingly positive.

The other simply states that he sometimes didn't have a command of the facts, which a) is the job of the WHPS to have the facts he or she is going to be discussing, and b) is something Snow even acknowledged about his job as WHPS.