OK Repubs QUESTION

[droski]

if you were poor and someone was suggesting they would give you money and tax a bunch of suckers that make a LOT more money than you wouldn't you support it?

[MG1968]

Originally Posted by droski

if you were poor and someone was suggesting they would give you money and tax a bunch of suckers that make a LOT more money than you wouldn't you support it?

that's why marxism is so appealing to lazy people, it excuses their shortcomings with promises that regardless of how poorly they've lived their lives, the government will always be there to take care of them.

[droski]

exactly. if they had the self respect to not take the govt's money chances are they might be responsible enough to actually make sure they have health care.

[OrangeEmpire]

Also, the government took 1.7 trillion from us........ Obama does not believe that is enough.... who do you think will pay for shortfall?

[droski]

the big bad oil companies and billionare's OE.

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by droski

if you were poor and someone was suggesting they would give you money and tax a bunch of suckers that make a LOT more money than you wouldn't you support it?

exactly.

The grounswell of college kid and recent grad support is because most of that crowd have never paid a dime of taxes or watched the system being milked by people clearly crafty enough to work.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by Fine Vol

The only downside I have heard is the wait.

In some other countries where healthcare is socialized, women receive 2 pap smears in their lifetime. Thus, lots of women die of cervical cancer that could have been detected early, giving them a fighting chance.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by kptvol

In some other countries where healthcare is socialized, women receive 2 pap smears in their lifetime. Thus, lots of women die of cervical cancer that could have been detected early, giving them a fighting chance.

With socialized medicine everyone has equal access to crappy care! Unless you a rich and you can just go elsewhere to receive treatment.

[OrangeEmpire]

The Tax Foundation - Tax Freedom Day by State, 2008

This is crazy!

[VolByBirth]

Originally Posted by KB5252

Look at it this way in that system you are a number not an individual. For instance there are some drugs that they will not provide because most of the people with your particular problem do well with prescription B and C. We all know that some people respond differently to some medications than others. Now what if prescription A was the one that relieved your chronic pain or kept your blood sugar in balance the best. What if you couldn't get that prescription that seemed tailor made for you because it was more expensive and most did fine without it. This kind of thing is happening in countries with socialized medicine, do the research.

I'm not for socialized medicine -- but we are missing the point. Why is health care such an issue? It's because there are serious flaws with our current system. If you don't think we pick up the bill for people without insurance you are mistaken. Even if hospitals refuse continued support of those without insurance, there are state run programs for these people --> run on tax dollars. If hospitals do take on a level of patients that don't pay then that is really built into the margins. Everything filters back to the consumer.

The issue with health care is profit maximization and prudent health care are not goals that are aligned. Profit maximization is a cost savings effort at a reasonable fee to companies to choose their health care company. Prudent health care is being proactive, utilizing preventive measures to curb future costs. Getting preventative care is far more difficult in our health care system.

I don't have an answer -- because socilalized medicine is not it -- but if you think our system is right one track -- I strongly disagree with you.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by VolByBirth

I'm not for socialized medicine -- but we are missing the point. Why is health care such an issue? It's because there are serious flaws with our current system. If you don't think we pick up the bill for people without insurance you are mistaken. Even if hospitals refuse continued support of those without insurance, there are state run programs for these people --> run on tax dollars. If hospitals do take on a level of patients that don't pay then that is really built into the margins. Everything filters back to the consumer.

The issue with health care is profit maximization and prudent health care are not goals that are aligned. Profit maximization is a cost savings effort at a reasonable fee to companies to choose their health care company. Prudent health care is being proactive, utilizing preventive measures to curb future costs. Getting preventative care is far more difficult in our health care system.

I don't have an answer -- because socilalized medicine is not it -- but if you think our system is right one track -- I strongly disagree with you.

Neither do I, I just know that socializing medicine is not the answer, in fact it will create another set of issues than the ones we have currently which will be far worse IMHO. We do need to address health care but putting the government in charge is a huge mistake.

[allvol123]

Personal care of one's own health is a much more prevalent problem than the healthcare industry. But you'll not see many yammering about that one, that would require personal responsibility.

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by VolByBirth

I'm not for socialized medicine -- but we are missing the point. Why is health care such an issue? It's because there are serious flaws with our current system. If you don't think we pick up the bill for people without insurance you are mistaken. Even if hospitals refuse continued support of those without insurance, there are state run programs for these people --> run on tax dollars. If hospitals do take on a level of patients that don't pay then that is really built into the margins. Everything filters back to the consumer.

The issue with health care is profit maximization and prudent health care are not goals that are aligned. Profit maximization is a cost savings effort at a reasonable fee to companies to choose their health care company. Prudent health care is being proactive, utilizing preventive measures to curb future costs. Getting preventative care is far more difficult in our health care system.

I don't have an answer -- because socilalized medicine is not it -- but if you think our system is right one track -- I strongly disagree with you.

moving the government out of the middle of the process would go a long way toward straightening out the problems

[volinbham]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

The Tax Foundation - Tax Freedom Day by State, 2008

This is crazy!

That is crazy! I wonder if they are counting work days only. Given 250 work days a year it takes 45% of work days just to start earning any personal monies!

[VolByBirth]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

moving the government out of the middle of the process would go a long way toward straightening out the problems

How so? I guess it depends on what each person feels the problems are.