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Old 07-01-2008, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Its (still) the economy, stupid.

I see today that stocks are down again, my 401 k shrinking daily while prices go up and up and up. Most people I know owe more on their house now than its worth. Gas thievery is becoming a sport here in Orlando. Crime is through the roof. Starbucks is closing 600 U.S. stores. The dollar is close to free-fall.

Economic woes are probably the best bet the Democrats have to win more seats in the Congress and the White House.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's probably going to do the trick.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i'm not saying that the world is about to end at this very moment, but i do think it's interesting that in the end the bible doesn't name America as one of the super powers left. this doesn't necessarily mean military wise, but maybe economic.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yea those dems know how to fix econmic woes. What is their plan again?
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yea those dems know how to fix econmic woes. What is their plan again?

Politically, the answer is simple: Doesn't matter.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think it's more with the oil. America's eyes and ears are open and I pray the Dems keep saying DON'T DRILL!
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The opposite of you elected officials.
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The opposite of you elected officials.
Current elected officials in Washington have about as much worth as my dogs excrement.
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I think it's more with the oil. America's eyes and ears are open and I pray the Dems keep saying DON'T DRILL!

The irony of your comment is that, by the time of the election, 95 % of the electorate will realize that drilling in Anwar and off the Gulf coast, by itself, would drop the price of a gallon of gas by about 20 cents .... 15 years from now.

If we want the price to come down short-term, we need to:

1) Deal with a weakening dollar, and right now.

2) Regulate futures commodities in oil trading. (Even saying we are going to do that will kill off some of the steam there).

3) Stabilize the situation between Israel and Iran.

4) Announce bold new objectives for reduction in use of oil as an energy source (again, the announcement alone affects the speculators).

5) Consider a windfalls tax on Big Oil. They'll bitch, but they'll happily pay a few percentage points to look like they are helping out and, again, the perception is the key to the futures traders.

6) Announce goals for improved refining and transportation, realistic ones for a few years out.
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The irony of your comment is that, by the time of the election, 95 % of the electorate will realize that drilling in Anwar and off the Gulf coast, by itself, would drop the price of a gallon of gas by about 20 cents .... 15 years from now.
I think the rationale is more that India and China's increased consumption will likely result in a shortage in the next 15 years.
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The irony of your comment is that, by the time of the election, 95 % of the electorate will realize that drilling in Anwar and off the Gulf coast, by itself, would drop the price of a gallon of gas by about 20 cents .... 15 years from now.

If we want the price to come down short-term, we need to:

1) Deal with a weakening dollar, and right now.

2) Regulate futures commodities in oil trading. (Even saying we are going to do that will kill off some of the steam there).

3) Stabilize the situation between Israel and Iran.

4) Announce bold new objectives for reduction in use of oil as an energy source (again, the announcement alone affects the speculators).

5) Consider a windfalls tax on Big Oil. They'll bitch, but they'll happily pay a few percentage points to look like they are helping out and, again, the perception is the key to the futures traders.

6) Announce goals for improved refining and transportation, realistic ones for a few years out.
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Politically, the answer is simple: Doesn't matter.
Obviously, considering the leadership we have.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The irony of your comment is that, by the time of the election, 95 % of the electorate will realize that drilling in Anwar and off the Gulf coast, by itself, would drop the price of a gallon of gas by about 20 cents .... 15 years from now.

If we want the price to come down short-term, we need to:

1) Deal with a weakening dollar, and right now.

2) Regulate futures commodities in oil trading. (Even saying we are going to do that will kill off some of the steam there).

3) Stabilize the situation between Israel and Iran.

4) Announce bold new objectives for reduction in use of oil as an energy source (again, the announcement alone affects the speculators).

5) Consider a windfalls tax on Big Oil. They'll bitch, but they'll happily pay a few percentage points to look like they are helping out and, again, the perception is the key to the futures traders.

6) Announce goals for improved refining and transportation, realistic ones for a few years out.
I think you need to stick to lawyering.
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i'm not saying that the world is about to end at this very moment, but i do think it's interesting that in the end the bible doesn't name America as one of the super powers left. this doesn't necessarily mean military wise, but maybe economic.
How'd this go unnoticed?

Wha?
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How'd this go unnoticed?

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Generally speaking....... most believe the references are about China and Russia.
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