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07-21-2008, 12:58 PM
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#391 (permalink)
| | Wave yo hands in the aiya
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Originally Posted by TennNC  In your world of absolutes, I suppose I could understand your perspective on this. For surely no media outlet could've given W an easier route to the WH despite his many attempts to get in their good graces or his campaign's attempts to paint him as the good-ole cowboy outsider candidate from manly, independent Texas with a very well-known last name. I mean, if they have an R next to their name, the media will do everything to destroy them - just destroy them. If they have a D next to it, they'll anoint him the second coming of the messiah - regardless of any other factors. And don't give any credit to the charisma of any of these candidates. No - give that credit 100% to the media. Republicans, poor folks, they have to constantly overcome this despite how great their candidates really are.
Yes, in your world, the conspiracy is in full swing. Run with it. | You have your head deep in your 4th point of contact if you truly believe Obama is the charismatic messiah that the media is portraying. The guy has done nothing but spout change and speak. Obama had nowhere near the charisma that Clinton has and Obama has about 50% of the brainpower of Clinton, but Clinton got nowhere near this kind of media reception.
Further, if you don't think the networks do everything they legally can in supporting the hardest left candidate available, you just don't pay attention.
I'm not talking about a conspiracy. I'm talking about human nature. The indisputable fact is that the newsrooms of America vote 95%+ democratic. Human nature says that this crowd applies its worldview to its work. The folks that would hold them accountable for said bias are engaged in the same practice, so accountability doesn't exist.
I'm comfortable that you don't like black & white and believe that I don't have the capacity to understand the complexity of issues. That does nothing to change the bias that exists in our major media outlets. I'm not whining for Republicans because I believe they have natural advantages too, when they're not too busy trampling on them. | 
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07-21-2008, 01:11 PM
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#392 (permalink)
| | doo doo doo
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| At least the NYT's isn't taking sides... DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2008®
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07-21-2008, 01:16 PM
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#393 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by volinbham |
" It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece," That's simply incredible. | |
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07-21-2008, 01:19 PM
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#394 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by volinbham | It was purely McCain's lack of Charisma. You apparently have no idea how many papers Obama's editorial will help them sell going forward. | |
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07-21-2008, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hndog609 "It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece,"
That's simply incredible. | I imagine the "mirrors" comment refers to a point by point rebuttal but it still shows the bias that Obama gets free reign to structure his argument anyway he likes.
BTW - the Obama Op-ed is being syndicated - look for it (but not one from McCain) in a paper near you!
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07-21-2008, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by volinbham | That is rather poor. You would think you would want an article written by any of the major candidates. You know, a view on ideas and such. Guess not. | 
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07-21-2008, 01:34 PM
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#397 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by volinbham |
I'd like to know more about this since the source of the article is Drudge and not him linking a more credible source.
But if in fact they rejected his proposed editorial response for any reason other than something like that it was too long or had some sort of technical deficit, then that is just wrong and indefensible. Having taken Obama's editorial, they are obliged to take McCain's without regard to content (within reason, of course -- i.e. he can't curse or whatever).
Based on what's reported here, this is a huge error by the NYT. | |
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07-21-2008, 01:40 PM
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#398 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by lawgator1 I'd like to know more about this since the source of the article is Drudge and not him linking a more credible source.
But if in fact they rejected his proposed editorial response for any reason other than something like that it was too long or had some sort of technical deficit, then that is just wrong and indefensible. Having taken Obama's editorial, they are obliged to take McCain's without regard to content (within reason, of course -- i.e. he can't curse or whatever).
Based on what's reported here, this is a huge error by the NYT. | Are you not familiar with the Times or their editors?
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07-21-2008, 01:42 PM
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| Why is it not OK for the TV media to have a liberal bias yet OK for radio media to have a huge conservative bias? I live in Nashville and 99.7FM is throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Obama. You would think Satan himself was running against McCain. I have heard that liberal radio doesn't sell but why does it sell so well with TV and papers? | |
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07-21-2008, 01:57 PM
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#400 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by 615 Vol Why is it not OK for the TV media to have a liberal bias yet OK for radio media to have a huge conservative bias? I live in Nashville and 99.7FM is throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Obama. You would think Satan himself was running against McCain. I have heard that liberal radio doesn't sell but why does it sell so well with TV and papers? | It's not that it's not okay for either side, it is the refusal to admit the bias that is the bigger issue. I believe the NYT portrays itself to be a news organization not an opinion organization. Conservative talk radio is not claiming to be an unbiased source of info.
This is precisely why the Fairness Doctrine is a load of crap. This action by the NYT flies in the face of the Fairness Doctrine but I doubt the supporters of the FD would see it that way.
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07-21-2008, 02:01 PM
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| I'll add that if the Fairness Doctrine were to happen that it would be the death of talk radio. No one would listen to a liberal radio show, therefore there would be no advertising, and radio stations would simply pull the plug.
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07-21-2008, 02:06 PM
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#402 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by volinbham It's not that it's not okay for either side, it is the refusal to admit the bias that is the bigger issue. I believe the NYT portrays itself to be a news organization not an opinion organization. Conservative talk radio is not claiming to be an unbiased source of info.
This is precisely why the Fairness Doctrine is a load of crap. This action by the NYT flies in the face of the Fairness Doctrine but I doubt the supporters of the FD would see it that way. |
I am increasingly annoyed by the NYT's bias and I'm a Democrat. | |
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07-21-2008, 02:25 PM
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#403 (permalink)
| | a lover, not a fighter
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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol You have your head deep in your 4th point of contact if you truly believe Obama is the charismatic messiah that the media is portraying. The guy has done nothing but spout change and speak. Obama had nowhere near the charisma that Clinton has and Obama has about 50% of the brainpower of Clinton, but Clinton got nowhere near this kind of media reception.
Further, if you don't think the networks do everything they legally can in supporting the hardest left candidate available, you just don't pay attention.
I'm not talking about a conspiracy. I'm talking about human nature. The indisputable fact is that the newsrooms of America vote 95%+ democratic. Human nature says that this crowd applies its worldview to its work. The folks that would hold them accountable for said bias are engaged in the same practice, so accountability doesn't exist.
I'm comfortable that you don't like black & white and believe that I don't have the capacity to understand the complexity of issues. That does nothing to change the bias that exists in our major media outlets. I'm not whining for Republicans because I believe they have natural advantages too, when they're not too busy trampling on them. | Why are networks leftists? How and why does that benefit them?
Why would they promote a leftist candidate, even if it hurt their ratings? Why would any business owner allow his/her employees to operate in a way that was destructive to the business? | |
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07-21-2008, 02:28 PM
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#404 (permalink)
| | Future end zone mod
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Originally Posted by TennNC Why are networks leftists? How and why does that benefit them?
Why would they promote a leftist candidate, even if it hurt their ratings? Why would any business owner allow his/her employees to operate in a way that was destructive to the business? | Because a) That's their views and b) they have been getting away with it since the days of Cronkite. That said, while it's still blatant, their numbers have dropped.
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07-21-2008, 02:31 PM
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#405 (permalink)
| | a lover, not a fighter
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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol It was purely McCain's lack of Charisma. You apparently have no idea how many papers Obama's editorial will help them sell going forward. | Is the NYT a TV network? | |
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