Fla, Michigan decision reached

[GAVol]

Originally Posted by myrobbins7

I started to watch it also, but with about 2 and a half mins. of Howard Dean did it in for me.

I made a point to tune in so I could watch Harold Ickes try to talk without having his head explode. The Clintonians were desperately trying to change the rules without appearing as desperate as they truly are.

[volsforever27]

YouTube - Clinton Supporter Thrown Out of Rules Committee Meeting, Ma

Sorry to my lib friends on here, but this is funny.

[GAVol]

Somewhere there is a man with his mouth agape because Grandma went nuts on camera this time.

[volinbham]

Didn't the Republicans also give half-votes to states that violated party rules?

[hmanvolfan]

Originally Posted by volsforever27

I keep waiting for Dean's head to explode and confetti fall out.

That has to be one of the funniest things I have read in months. And I agree 100%!!!!!!

[hmanvolfan]

Originally Posted by volinbham

Didn't the Republicans also give half-votes to states that violated party rules?

Should the framers of the constitution be rolling over in their graves after hearing that factions can declare that someone's vote only counts 1/2?

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by hmanvolfan

Should the framers of the constitution be rolling over in their graves after hearing that factions can declare that someone's vote only counts 1/2?

I think theywere the greatest collection of men ever, but the loons did say black men were worth 2/3 of a white man. Maybe they should remain on their backs in their tombs wrt fractions.

[VolDad]

For my Democratic friends on the board, I want to know…..

During the 2000 election all I heard from Democrats was how every vote “must” count. They even went so far as to guess the intent of the voter (hanging chads, dimpled chads).

Yet they have set up a system in their own party where some delegates get half votes. In addition, if party officials do not like the results, they can override the will of the voters and select their own candidate via super delegates (party officials).

For my Democratic friends, how do you reconcile the contradiction?

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by VolDad

For my Democratic friends on the board, I want to know…..

During the 2000 election all I heard from Democrats was how every vote “must” count. They even went so far as to guess the intent of the voter (hanging chads, dimpled chads).

Yet they have set up a system in their own party where some delegates get half votes. In addition, if party officials do not like the results, they can override the will of the voters and select their own candidate via super delegates (party officials).

For my Democratic friends, how do you reconcile the contradiction?

This is pretty simple to answer, it's all about the rules. The rules of the 2000 election were that every vote would count in deciding a President. The voters in Florida and Michigan were told well ahead of time that their vote would not count. If before voting in the 2000 election Florida was told that their vote would not count than it would be a different story. Barrack Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, Hillary knew the rules before playing and many voters didn't show up thinking the vote wouldn't count. Would you go wait in line for an hour to vote for nothing? If you support Obama in Michigan would you go to the polls if his name were not on the ballot? To make my answer short, it's comparing apples to oranges.

[VolDad]

Originally Posted by 615 Vol

This is pretty simple to answer, it's all about the rules. ......

Really, is it all about the rules….

In 2000 the rules were that butterfly ballots were acceptable, yet Democrats argued after the fact that they were not.

In 2000, the rules stated for a vote to count, the ballot had to be completely punched, yet Democrats argued after the fact that hanging and dimpled chads should count.

Why are rules so important now and not then?

[volsforever27]

To add a little fuel to the fire here, the D's also didn't want to coun a lot of military absentee votes, if memory serves.

[Rasputin_Vol]

Originally Posted by TennTradition

This is kind of silly to me...your votes will count..but only half as much per person as the other states.....

I know they didn't follow the rules, but it is a little hard for me to justify punishing the democratic citizens because of a democratic party gaffe.

Oh well...it's done...probably....

Can't wait for Jesse and Al to try to spin this into a 3/5 of a man argument.

Or maybe not, considering they probably will support Obama...

[TennTradition]

Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol

Can't wait for Jesse and Al to try to spin this into a 3/5 of a man argument.

Or maybe not, considering they probably will support Obama...

That is the funniest/saddest part.

[emainvol]

Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol

Can't wait for Jesse and Al to try to spin this into a 3/5 of a man argument.

Or maybe not, considering they probably will support Obama...

Exactly what does the Three Fifths compromise have to do with this?

[TennTradition]

Originally Posted by emainvol

Exactly what does the Three Fifths compromise have to do with this?

It doesn't logically have to have anything to do with something for Jackson to jump onto it and blow it up ... as long as a connection can be made, he'll go for it.