Are Our Troops Going To Vote Obama!

[volsforever27]

Originally Posted by jkell24

What's laughable is how some of you take what we write and translate it into what you want it to say. This article is about donations given by members of the military and to the campaign they're given too. It can't be an opinion it's based on numbers so either Obama and Paul got the most donations or they didn't. This article says they did so show me another one that says they didn't. Just by having "been there" or ABC being "slanted to the left" doesn't disprove anything. Besides, I did not TRY to put down anyone for thinking ABC has a liberal biased, that's your opinion, if you read my post you would see that I posed the question of why would they. I guess it all goes back to how you translate post to say what you want them to not for what they are.

All this coming from a liberal is astounding... talk about twisting stories to how you want to percieve them. As far as them merely stating numbers. I have to agree with BPV again on his earlier posts.

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by jkell24

What's laughable is how some of you take what we write and translate it into what you want it to say. This article is about donations given by members of the military and to the campaign they're given too. It can't be an opinion it's based on numbers so either Obama and Paul got the most donations or they didn't. This article says they did so show me another one that says they didn't. Just by having "been there" or ABC being "slanted to the left" doesn't disprove anything. Besides, I did not TRY to put down anyone for thinking ABC has a liberal biased, that's your opinion, if you read my post you would see that I posed the question of why would they. I guess it all goes back to how you translate post to say what you want them to not for what they are.

In other words, you hate the military?

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

The reason I don't buy the picture is because the information presented is altogether unsupported by flimsy evidence from a "non-partisan" outfit. Any fourth grad math graduate can rip this entire article to shreds.

What flimsy evidence? That's the question I have been trying to ask all day. Why would they make it up? If so, why hasn't anyone uncovered it other than you on a UT political board. Where do you get your news source? If the main channels are so tainted with liberal biased and Fox is tainted with conservative baised than where do you get the truth? I would like to find that website, radio station or TV station that speaks the truth. Where is the simple math that a fourth grade math graduate can rip this article with?

[OrangeEmpire]

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[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

In other words, you hate the military?

How did you come up with that from what I wrote? I don't hate the military. Please explain.

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by jkell24

What flimsy evidence? That's the question I have been trying to ask all day. Why would they make it up? If so, why hasn't anyone uncovered it other than you on a UT political board. Where do you get your news source? If the main channels are so tainted with liberal biased and Fox is tainted with conservative baised than where do you get the truth? I would like to find that website, radio station or TV station that speaks the truth. Where is the simple math that a fourth grade math graduate can rip this article with?

That is impossible, every news group appeals to a certain audience with certain types of stories.

Simply put, it is all about the money.

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by jkell24

How did you come up with that from what I wrote? I don't hate the military. Please explain.

Merely proving your point about reading a post....

You military hater!

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by jkell24

What flimsy evidence? That's the question I have been trying to ask all day. Why would they make it up? If so, why hasn't anyone uncovered it other than you on a UT political board. Where do you get your news source? If the main channels are so tainted with liberal biased and Fox is tainted with conservative baised than where do you get the truth? I would like to find that website, radio station or TV station that speaks the truth. Where is the simple math that a fourth grade math graduate can rip this article with?

what flimsy evidence? did you look at the raw numbers? If you're struggling with the statistical insignificance of the sample size and the lack of any supporting data for such a weak sample, then we are wasting our time discussing the evidence. I would suggest that the data collected there is comparable to using Berkeley as a barometer for US opinion.

As for how I come to my conclusions, I make them myself based upon what I hear, read, see etc. I certainly don't take for gospel the garbage that the mainstream press puts forth.

[OrangeEmpire]

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[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by volsforever27

All this coming from a liberal is astounding... talk about twisting stories to how you want to percieve them. As far as them merely stating numbers. I have to agree with BPV again on his earlier posts.

So the best you can do is say that it is due to me being a liberal? I didn't say one side twist stories more than the other, they both do the same things. I agree, liberals twist plenty of stories, can you agree that conservatives do the same thing and play the same games? Show me the other side to this story, where is this article wrong? It talks about Obama and Paul getting the most donations, debunk it. Can you do that or will you continue to say liberal over and over as a response?

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by jkell24

So the best you can do is say that it is due to me being a liberal? I didn't say one side twist stories more than the other, they both do the same things. I agree, liberals twist plenty of stories, can you agree that conservatives do the same thing and play the same games? Show me the other side to this story, where is this article wrong? It talks about Obama and Paul getting the most donations, debunk it. Can you do that or will you continue to say liberal over and over as a response?

Why does it matter if they received the most donations?

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

Merely proving your point about reading a post....

You military hater!

So basically you are saying you don't read mine.

Thoughts?

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by jkell24

So basically you are saying you don't read mine.

Thoughts?

No, I read your response and was merely stating that I saw what I wanted to see and assinged to you that you are a hater of the military.

I have nothing to base it on other that I want to believe it.

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by jkell24

So the best you can do is say that it is due to me being a liberal? I didn't say one side twist stories more than the other, they both do the same things. I agree, liberals twist plenty of stories, can you agree that conservatives do the same thing and play the same games? Show me the other side to this story, where is this article wrong? It talks about Obama and Paul getting the most donations, debunk it. Can you do that or will you continue to say liberal over and over as a response?

I can't debunk it any more than their propaganda story proved it. Liberal or otherwise, that story would get laughed out of the room if any standards at all had been applied.

I said I spent years there, went to a military college, have numerous friends still playing soldier across the world and have some personal experience there. That's how I would try to debunk such drivel. You said that's not good enough because some fly by night "non-partisan" group claimed otherwise with some absolutely pathetic statistical info. If my experience is of no use in the debate, then we are both wasting our time.

[OrangeEmpire]

?????

Why does it matter about the donations?

M. Bloomberg said if Obama does not get the DNC nomination that he would donate a billion dollars to his campaign to run as an Indy.

Generally speaking historical vote of the military is 80/20 Republican. This dates back to the civil war.