Accused Russian troll farms verses Mueller... Uh oh!

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It's starting to look like Mueller is getting more than he bargained for. He paraded supposed Russian trolls around, charged them with crimes, got his headlines, expecting nothing to ever come of it but propaganda and publicity.

Well, it looks like it may be backfiring. The Russian company that he charged (and expected to never hear from again) has showed up with attorneys to fight the case in court. They're demanding their day in court next week and have filed numerous discovery motions.

Mueller and the gang are fighting back in court... To keep it out of court!

They have asked for a delay (get this!), claiming that the accused never properly accepted the charges. Note: The judge has refused their request for a delay.

The prosecution team sought the delay on the grounds that it’s unclear whether Concord Management formally accepted the court summons related to the case. Mueller’s prosecutors also revealed that they tried to deliver the summonses for Concord and IRA through the Russian government, without success.

“The [U.S.] government has attempted service of the summonses by delivering copies of them to the Office of the Prosecutor General of Russia, to be delivered to the defendants,” prosecutors wrote. “That office, however, declined to accept the summonses. The government has submitted service requests to the Russian government pursuant to a mutual legal assistance treaty. To the government’s knowledge, no further steps have been taken within Russia to effectuate service.”

Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay in Russian troll farm case - POLITICO



"We want you i court."

"OK. We're here."

"Uh... You didn't show up right."



This get interesting. It could be a major backfire to the special counsel. They thought they'd gotten some political capital in public opinion by charging people they'd never have to show a case against.

But now with the bluff(?) called, Mueller may just have to show his hand. Or at the very least, drop the charges and signal to the world just how empty his hand is.

In a blunt response Saturday morning, Concord’s attorneys accused Mueller's team of ignoring the court’s rules and suggesting a special procedure for the Russian firm without any supporting legal authority.

“Defendant voluntarily appeared through counsel as provided for in [federal rules], and further intends to enter a plea of not guilty. Defendant has not sought a limited appearance nor has it moved to quash the summons. As such, the briefing sought by the Special Counsel’s motion is pettifoggery,” Dubelier and Seikaly wrote.

"I find it disturbing that in your first communication you are already behaving in a manner that is inconsistent with the practices of the Department of Justice," Eric Dubelier, a US attorney from the law firm Reed Smith that represents Concord, wrote to prosecutor Jeannie Rhee, according to an April 20 email he submitted to the court.
 
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You do realize that they want "discovery" meaning the Russian Government wants "discovery". Putin want to know what Mueller knows. Show up, get it and never to be heard from again. They won't get it. Nothing more but carry on.
 
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You do realize that they want "discovery" meaning the Russian Government wants "discovery". Putin want to know what Mueller knows. Show up, get it and never to be heard from again. They won't get it. Nothing more but carry on.

Nice conspiracy theory.

File it on the shelf between "Apollo landings" and "Lizard People."
 
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You do realize that they want "discovery" meaning the Russian Government wants "discovery". Putin want to know what Mueller knows. Show up, get it and never to be heard from again. They won't get it. Nothing more but carry on.

:thud:

So now we expect those charged with crimes to forgo discovery?
 
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Pettyfoggery, my new favorite word.

I know, right? Now we have a short-hand label for what people have been accusing the SC members of for years.

:thud:

So now we expect those charged with crimes to forgo discovery?

Exactly. The SC thought they'd get some valuable public theater for cheap, but now they actually have to produce something.

It's like the over-confident schoolyard bully getting sucker-punched right back. And the principle (judge in the case) saying, "Oh, no. You picked this fight. Fight." when he goes crying about it.
 
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:thud:

So now we expect those charged with crimes to forgo discovery?

I say what you all have said that nothing will come from the charges. The methodology used by our IC is vital to our continued efforts to protect America. You want to hand the Russians the keys to be able to circumvent that methodology? I supposed you do or just don't know what you're saying. The methodology is the case.
 
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one Russian company indicted by Mueller in February, Concord Management and Consulting, has US attorneys and a court hearing scheduled, the special counsel's team hasn't been able to reach the company or its co-defendants.
The Russian government's top legal office wouldn't accept paperwork from US law enforcement in the case, and the company has already hit back at Mueller by demanding more evidence and information.

Special counsel hits snag in bringing a criminal case against Russians - CNNPolitics
 
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You all are pulling for Russia. Not a surprise.

Not at all. Many of us believe this investigation to be:

  • At best, an invented attack on the duly elected president to undermine his administration
  • At worst, a bipartian coup against a duly elected president.

We're pulling:

  • against that.
  • for the hope that Russia isn't an enemy and we could have a productive relationship without the Washington swamp stirring the pot for political agendas.

:hi:
 
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I say what you all have said that nothing will come from the charges. The methodology used by our IC is vital to our continued efforts to protect America. You want to hand the Russians the keys to be able to circumvent that methodology? I supposed you do or just don't know what you're saying. The methodology is the case.

So, you're agreeing that they publicly levied the charges, expecting, hoping and demanding that they never reach a courtroom? It was all just political theater? All the bruhaha from the left about Mueller filing charges and the strength of his case...

And now you have to admit it was just political theater.
 
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You all are pulling for Russia. Not a surprise.

To expand: The sheep on this board are so far up Trumps ass that they're cheering for the Russian crooks that meddled in our election and against our nation's Special Investigator and the FBI.

Putin sends his thanks.

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one Russian company indicted by Mueller in February, Concord Management and Consulting, has US attorneys and a court hearing scheduled, the special counsel's team hasn't been able to reach the company or its co-defendants.
The Russian government's top legal office wouldn't accept paperwork from US law enforcement in the case, and the company has already hit back at Mueller by demanding more evidence and information.

Special counsel hits snag in bringing a criminal case against Russians - CNNPolitics

Hmmm, per your link.

The Russian company's attorneys sent the summons from Mueller's office back to prosecutors, saying they hadn't complied with court procedures.

Mueller's team is asking the Washington judge who oversees the case to weigh arguments about whether Concord properly received notice that it faced an indictment.

So, the SC sent the paperwork, which allegedly was incorrect, and the lawyers rejected it because it was incorrect.

"Your honor, we'd like a delay since the accused haven't accepted the charges that we know of."

"You sent them the summons that was incorrect."

"But we don't know if they've been notified..."

"Your summons was wrong, counselor."

"Yeah, but we don't know if they know of the charges."

And has the SC turned over the "evidence" of the accusations as is required by law?
 
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So, you're agreeing that they publicly levied the charges, expecting, hoping and demanding that they never reach a courtroom? It was all just political theater? All the bruhaha from the left about Mueller filing charges and the strength of his case...

And now you have to admit it was just political theater.

As soon as the "defendants" show up, they can have discovery as well as a formal booking in jail. That's not going to happen.
 
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To expand: The sheep on this board are so far up Trumps ass that they're cheering for the Russian crooks that meddled in our election and against our nation's Special Investigator and the FBI.

Putin sends his thanks.

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So, the argument of the day is that ya'll know all of this, while also having to admit that it can't go through legal discovery because no one can know the evidence that would allow anyone to know all of this?

That's a bold strategy, OBV. Bold indeed.
 
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As soon as the "defendants" show up, they can have discovery as well as a formal booking in jail. That's not going to happen.

Yeah, that's not how that works.

Perhaps in the banana republic you wish to see, but we still have (some) laws on the books.
 
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Hmmm, per your link.



So, the SC sent the paperwork, which allegedly was incorrect, and the lawyers rejected it because it was incorrect.

"Your honor, we'd like a delay since the accused haven't accepted the charges that we know of."

"You sent them the summons that was incorrect."

"But we don't know if they've been notified..."

"Your summons was wrong, counselor."

"Yeah, but we don't know if they know of the charges."

And has the SC turned over the "evidence" of the accusations as is required by law?

Have they shown up for the process? No.
 
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As soon as the "defendants" show up, they can have discovery as well as a formal booking in jail. That's not going to happen.

Did you read the article? That's not how it works. That's apparently not the law. Federal statutes seem to be that when the defendant's representation shows up, they've shown up.

“Defendant voluntarily appeared through counsel as provided for in [federal rules], and further intends to enter a plea of not guilty. Defendant has not sought a limited appearance nor has it moved to quash the summons. As such, the briefing sought by the Special Counsel’s motion is pettifoggery,” Dubelier and Seikaly wrote.
 

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